Aubrey Edwin Batty

Aubrey Batty was born in 1878 .and died 10 Jan 1895
In 1894 Dudley Batty and Aubrey Batty visited the family  at Rouse Hill  and Dudley made pictures

Interior photograph of the drawing room at Rouse Hill House. This photograph is one of three within the Rouse Hill House & Farm collection taken by Dudley Batty (1875-1933), son of Emma Batty nee Rouse (1843-1928) and Dudley Davison Batty(1845-1878), and great-grandson of Richard Rouse, the builder of the house. Dudley Batty and his younger brother Aubrey, both born in England, made an extended visit to their Australian relatives in 1894, staying for some time with their uncle Edwin Stephen Rouse at Rouse Hill. Dudley Batty became a member of the Royal Photographic Society of Great Britain in 1920.

South Kensington seems to have been the Batty family home – Comeragh Road, where Phoebe and Dudley lived at Aubrey's birth is just round the corner from Redcliffe Gardens, where Dudley's elder sister was stillborn (20 November 1872, Sydney Herald 27 January 1873) and where he and his wife Emma lived on their marriage (20 July 1871) – officiated by Dudley's two brothers, Edmund and George Staunton, both Reverends (Sydney Herald, 2 October 1871)!

Dudley Davison Batty

The father of Dudley Batty married Emma Rouse . in March 1871.

He was born 1845 London Kensington as son of William Batty and Mary Agnes

name:	Dudley Davison Batty
gender:	Male
baptism/christening date:	07 May 1845
baptism/christening place:	SAINT JAMES,PADDINGTON,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date:	25 Feb 1845

And died at the age of 33 in 1878 All in Kensington London

They had 3 children .

Virgina Constance Batty born 

Dudley Batty  and Aubrey Batty.

bridegroom, DUDLEY BATTY, Esq., Lieutenant unattached late 66th and 67th Regiments, to EMMA, eldest daughter of the late
EDWIN ROUSE, Esq., of Rouse Hall, Australia.

Samuel Henry Terry

Yesterday we had Virginia Constance Batty on the blog and her husband Charles Edgar Terry.

He was the son of S.H.Terry and we found in the newspaper of that time.

Box Hill

There have been two possibilities identified for the origin of the areas name. The first is that it takes its name from a stand of box trees that were once in the area. The second is that it was named after the hunting boxes built on the tops of the hills in the nineteenth century. It was common during the 1800’s for people to come from the city to their country hunting boxes for a few days hunting. The position of the boxes on the hills made it easy for hunters to take aim at their targets. One building has survived: "The Hunting Lodge”, thought to have been built by S.H. Terry on Governor Bligh's "Copenhagen Farm".

Box Hill has open rural landscapes popular with homeowners and specialist gardeners, such as those involved in hydroponics.

Towns surrounding Box Hill include: Maraylya, Nelson, Rouse Hill and Windsor.

FUNERAL.-The Friends of SAMUEL HENRY

TERRY, Esq., M.L.A , are respectfully informed thatthe Funeral of his late beloved Wife (CLEMENTINAPARKER) will move from the Blacktown Station, and
proceed to Windsor TO-MORROW (Tuesday) MORN-ING, at half-past 10 o'clock precisely. JOHN HILL,Jun., and CO., undertakers, King and Riley streets,

Virginia Constance Batty

Virginia Constance Batty was the daughter of Dudley Davison Batty and Emma Rouse.
She was the sister of  Dudley Batty.
She was born June 1874 in Kensington .
The Sydney Morning Herald
Tuesday 13 October 1896

TERRY — BATTY. — August 26, at the Parish Church,Hove, by the Rev. Prebendary Pescey, Vicar, assistedby the Rev. G. W. Fisher, M.A., Charles Edgar, secondson of the late S. H. Terry, of Sydney, Member of theLegislative Council, New South Wales, to Virginia Constance, only daughter of Mrs. Dudley Batty, of Argyle,Hove, and of the late Dudley Davison Batty, Captain, 57th Regiment.
TERRY — BATTY. — August 26, at the Parish Church,Hove, by the Rev. Prebendary Pescey, Vicar, assisted bythe Rev. G. W. Fisher, M.A., Charles Edgar, second son of the late S. H. Terry, Esq., of Box Hill, Sydney, member of the Legislative Council of New South Wales, to Virginia Constance, only daughter of Mrs. Dudley Batty,of Argyle, Hove, and of the late Dudley Davison Batty,
Esq., 57th Regiment.

1.This daughter is Gwendoline Joyce Virginia Terry born Sept 1897 Brighton, Sussex who marries Robert De W Waller
2.Katherine Alison Terry Birth born Dec .1901 in Brighton, Sussex
3.Rosemary Staunton Terry June 1906 Brighton

J.Vlieland

07-07-1796J.Vlieland in from Embden
We restart  reading our old Dutch newspapers .
So maybe we find one day an add which gives us a clue about Jerome and his family in Holland .
maybe they sold their house or goods before leaving for England or was there an add for the position of teacher of languages .............
And was the name Hollander or Vlieland ?

Marriages Murray

The Magician

Imagine Jerome sitting at the breakfasttable , reading the newspaper , seeing the advertisement and deciding to book a trip to France for the summer holidays .

He went as we see in the list of aliens.

The Magician was the ship that Jerome Vlieland and his wife used to go from Dover to Boulogne .
The Magician ,built in 1842 was the second iron ship of the General Steam Navigation Company.it usually operated between Dover and Boulogne.
On 1 1th May, 1844, the General Steam Navigation Company put theMagician on the route between Dover and Boulogne. She was built of iron, being the second vessel so made to be owned by the company - the first had been the Rainbow .
It was an  iron paddle steamer built by Ditchbum & Mare, Orchard

from the 

Mechanics' magazine and journal of science, arts, and manufactures, Volume 42

from Bentley's miscellany: Volume 22 - Pagina 208

Don´t just book it

Don´t just book it ....Thomas Cook it was a slogan years ago.
And perhaps  our Reverend was one of  the first to do so .
This week in Who do think you are ?  was mentioned that the first package holiday a `grand circulair trip `to the continent was done in 1856 completely organised  by Thomas Cook.
So we looked at the passport of our reverend J.N.Vlieland and looked at the date .
!856 it was and so they could have well been the first Thomas Cook customers.



The passport was issued in London on the 6th June 1856.
Stamps on the passport start 27th June 1856 with mention of Paris and Belgium in the stamp .
On 15 July 1856 after 18 days into the journey there is a Paris stamp.
What were they doing for so long in Paris and why is there a stamp leaving or reentering Paris.
Could he have been on a ship out of France as there is no stamp of another city on the continent?
We know from the stamp they stayed in the hotel Girard in Paris.
A week later is the next one 23 th July a stamp Rijkspolitie -Rosendaal .
Which means entering Holland by train from Belgium.
On the same page a Rotterdam stamp and in letters next to it in Dutch
gratis
gezien gaande naar Amsterdam en terug naar Brussel.
Which means free going to Amsterdam and back to Brussel.
by inspector first class .
On the 25 th July there is mention of Amsterdam and `s Gravenhage.
In Den Haag they stayed in a very luxury hotel Du Vieux Doelen .
The etching is from the same period.

on the last page there is another stamp is for entering France 27 June 1856
and one of 15 july 1858 which suggest a second journey.
Although the copies from copies are not that good it gives a picture.

On this list is the passportnumber of Jerome Nicholas the younger.








It was not booming business but still it was a party of 50 people.

From the Bishop of London to J.N.Vlieland

In the Lambeth Palace Library and the Church of England Record Centre

are some letters from the Bishop of  London to J.N.Vlieland.

Order No                Title                                                                                                           Date 1 FP Blomfield 44, ff. 146, 341 Letters to VLIELAND (Jerome Nicholas), Curate of St. Mark, Old Street, Middx. (1849) 1846 2 FP Blomfield 58, f. 50v Letter to VLIELAND (Mrs. -), VLIELAND (Jerome Nicholas), Curate of St. Mark, Old Street, Middx. (1849) 1846 3 Tait 108 ff 75-6 VLIELAND (J.N.), incumbent of Christ Church, Chiswick, Middlesex 1858 4 VB 1/17/458 Vlieland, Jerome Nicholas 1858 5 VB 1/17/458 Vlieland, Jerome Nicholas 1858

Accessing the collections held at Lambeth Palace Library and the Church of England Record Centre

Maybe by an odd change , someone has them allready on the computer and will  share it otherwise I will order them and you will see them in a while in the blog .

William Frederick Cornell

William Frederick Gordon Cornell

 born December 1888 son of Frederick Cornell and Emily S.L.V.Vlieland 

He was on several ships to be transported for example to the  Egypt Suezcanal ,
We know this adress 70 Stanley buildings  from the census records.

His grandfather  is the  son of Frederick Cornell and Sarah Ann Bray mariage dec 1855 Clerkenwell Middlesex.
This Frederick is born 1833

1 Friars walk Exeter

Today we walk on Friars Walk 1 in Exeter and find the name Alice Edith Millen
And we find the conveyance of a house .
Conveyance
1. Edward Charles Woolmer of Manchester, gent. Charles Llewellyn Howard Tripp of Staple-grove, Somerset, surgeon
2. Elsie, wife of Rev. Douglas McLaren, Canon Residentiary of Exeter Cathedral Mary Penelope Barnes of 14 West Southernhay, Exeter, spinster
Alice Edith, wife of Charles James Vlieland of 20 West Southernhay, doctor

Who are the other names mentioned .

Mary Penelope Barnes of 14 West Southernhay, Exeter, spinster
She was born in Cuddalon, India on 31 Oct 1860 to Herbert Barnes and Charlotte Kitson.

Herbert Barnes her father was 

Born on 1832 to George Barnes and Harriet Penelope Rivett Carnac. Herbert married Charlotte Kitson and had 2 children. He passed away on 1890.Her mother Charlotte Kitson was born in St Mary Church, Devon, England on 1837 to Thomas Kitson

The other name mentiones is that of Elsie McLaren wife of Rev. Douglas McLaren, Canon Residentiary of Exeter Cathedral

Charles Llewellyn Howard TRIPP married Ellie Charlotte Isabel ANDERSON
He was the son of Rev William Owen TRIPP(1828 - 1860)and Mary Georgiana Anne (Minny) LLEWELLYN
he was born. 19 Sep 1857, Kennerleigh, Devon
d. 2 Feb 1952

Edward Charles Woolmer  was born  in Mar 1861 in Barnstaple, Devon, England. He married Florence Cooper in 1885 in Bolton District, Lancashire, England Other marriages: Cooper, Elizabeth 

National Archives 
Contents:
Conveyance
1. Edward Charles Woolmer of Manchester, gent. Charles Llewellyn Howard Tripp of Staple-grove, Somerset, surgeon
2. Elsie, wife of Rev. Douglas McLaren, Canon Residentiary of Exeter Cathedral Mary Penelope Barnes of 14 West Southernhay, Exeter, spinster
Alice Edith, wife of Charles James Vlieland of 20 West Southernhay, doctor
Premises: 1 Friars Walk
Consideration: £400
Date: 20 January 1920
With schedule of deeds, 1869-1911

Devon Record Office 4666M-O/T/18 1920


Contents:
Mortgage
1. Elsie McLaren
Mary Penelope Barnes
Alice Edith Vlieland
2. Sidney Andrew of Exeter, solicitor
Premises: 1 Friars Walk, Exeter
Principal: £170
Date: 7 February 1920
Endorsed: Acknowledgement of receipt of £150 from 1 by Alice May Jewell, 29 April 1927

Devon Record Office 4666M-O/T/19 1925


Contents:
Assignment of Mortgage
1. Sidney Andrew
2. Alice May Jewell of 42 Sidwell Street, Exeter, spinster
Premises: 1 Friars Walk, Exeter
Principal: £170
Date: 22 January 1925

Devon Record Office 4666M-O/T/20 1927


Contents:
Mortgage
1. Elsie McLaren
Mary Penelope Barnes
Alice Edith Vlieland
2. National Provincial Bank Ltd.
Premises: 1 Friars Walk, Exeter
Date: 17 June 1927
With schedule of deeds, 1831-1927
Endorsed: Reconveyance, 17 August 1928

Devon Record Office 4666M-O/T/21 1928


Contents:
Land Registry Official Search Certificate as T 17, 25 February 1928

Devon Record Office 4666M-O/T/22 1928


Contents:
Supplemental Abstract of Title (1920-1928)
Elsie McLaren, Mary Penelope Barnes and Alice Edith Vlieland to premises 1 Friars Walk, Exeter

Thomas Edward Candler

Baptisms 12 Apr 1863 CANDLER Thomas Edward Candler Norfolk Tasburgh
In Camberwell Surrey he married on the 15th of June 1882 Catharine Veri Vlieland Snell.
And we already know that is a familiar name.
He is the son of Lawrence Candler and Anna Maria Vlieland
In the 1881 census Thomas Edward Candler a mining engineer is at home in East Lodge, Crook And Billy Row with his Dad Lawrence Candler a colliery agent, his Mum Anna (nee Vlieland) and his grandma Sarah Vlieland

he set some charcoal alight and then lay down in the bath. When discovered some time later was dead, having been suffocated by the fumes of the burning charcoal. The coroner read the following letter which the deceased man had left: For the Coroner. Sir.—Kindly Inform the jury that as my health is completely broken down with 19 years residence In India. China, and Afrlca. and I have more business worries than my head will stand, my present action is necessary T. E.CANDLER The jury returned verdict of '* suicide." offering no opinion to the state of the deceased's mind.

In Durham Mining museum we find 

Thomas Edward Candler

(Born: 1861)

Warning: This is not intended to be an exhaustive history of this individual, but an indication of the changes of positions and the links between companies, directors and managers in those companies. The individual may have been involved with other companies or collieries and there may have been other positions for which we currently do not have details.

Membership

1874-1875, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1875-1876, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1876-1877, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1877-1878, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1878-1879, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1879-1880, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1880-1881, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Census

Address: East Lodge, Crook & Billy Row

(Ref: RG11/4928/34/62)

Name	Age	Rel	Mar	Occupation	Where Born
CANDLER, Lawrence	48	Head	Mar	Colliery Agent	NFK: Coringleford
CANDLER, Anna Maria	46	Wife	Mar		NFK: Norwich
CANDLER, Thomas Edward	20	Son	Unn	Mine Surveyor	NFK: Saxlingham
CANDLER, Isabel	19	Dau	Unn		NFK: Saxlingham
CANDLER, Samuel	18	Son	Unn	Colliery Engineer Apprentice	NFK: Saxlingham
CANDLER, Arthur	16	Son	Unn	Pupil Teacher	ESX: Coggeshall
CANDLER, Edwin Heath	15	Son	Unn	Colliery Clerk	DUR: Crook
CANDLER, Edith May	13	Dau		Scholar	DUR: Crook
CANDLER, Julia Winifred	9	Dau		Scholar	DUR: Crook
CANDLER, Frank William	7	Son		Scholar	DUR: Crook
CANDLER, Eveline Vhiland	6	Dau		Scholar	DUR: Crook
CANDLER, Percy Philps	5	Son		Scholar	DUR: Crook
VHILAND, Sarah	82	Mother In	Wid		NFK: Hemlington

Please note: the census extracts shown here are our 'best guess match' to the person shown on this page and is not intended to be definitive — only knowledge of the family would allow this.

Membership

1881-1882, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Student; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1882-1883, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Darlington; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1883-1884, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: Canton Club, Canton, China; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1884-1885, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: Canton Club, Canton, China; Elected: 01 May 1875

1884-1885, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Life Member; Address: Canton Club, Canton, China

Membership

1885-1886, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: F.G.S., Canton Club, Canton, China; Elected: 01 May 1875

1885-1886, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Life Member; Address: Canton Club, Canton, China

Membership

1886-1887, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: F.G.S., Canton Club, Canton, China; Elected: 01 May 1875

1886-1887, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Life Member; Address: F.G.S., Canton Club, Canton, China

Membership

1887-1888, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Associate Member; Address: F.G.S., Hong Kong Club, Hong Kong, China; Elected: 01 May 1875

1887-1888, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Life Member; Address: F.G.S., Hong Kong Club, Hong Kong, China

Membership

1888-1889, North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers. Position: Member; Address: F.G.S., Millwood, Cape Town; Elected: 01 May 1875

Membership

1889-1890, Institute of Mining Engineers. Position: Member; Address: Springfield, Samos Road, Anerley, London, S.E.

Membership

1892-1893, Institute of Mining Engineers. Position: Member

Membership

1896-1897, Institute of Mining Engineers. Position: Member; Address: East Lodge, Crook, Co. Durham.

Sources 

• 1881 Census — taken 3rd April, 1881
• Transactions of the Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1890, Volume 1 (I), 1889-1890 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1893, Volume 5 (V), 1892-1893 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1897, Volume 13 (XIII), 1896-1897 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1875, Volume 24 (XXIV), 1874-1875 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1876, Volume 25 (XXV), 1875-1876 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1877, Volume 26 (XXVI), 1876-1877 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1878, Volume 27 (XXVII), 1877-1878 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1879, Volume 28 (XXVIII), 1878-1879 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1880, Volume 29 (XXIX), 1879-1880 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1881, Volume 30 (XXX), 1880-1881 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1882, Volume 31 (XXXI), 1881-1882 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1883, Volume 32 (XXXII), 1882-1883 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1884, Volume 33 (XXXIII), 1883-1884 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1885, Volume 34 (XXXIV), 1884-1885 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1886, Volume 35 (XXXV), 1885-1886 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1887, Volume 36 (XXXVI), 1886-1887 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1888, Volume 37 (XXXVII), 1887-1888 Where to find this volume
• Transactions of the North of England Institute of Mining Engineers, published in 1889, Volume 38 (XXXVIII), 1888-1889Where to find this volume

Catharine Veri Vlieland Snell

Catharine Veri Vlieland  daughter of Charles Henry Snell and Sarah Heath Vlieland.

She married Thomas Edward Candler in Camberwell Surrey on the 15th of June 1882.
She died Jun 1891 in Surrey, United Kingdom And we already know that is a familiar name.He is the son  of Lawrence Candler  and Anna Maria Vlieland 
In the 1881 census Thomas Edward Candler a mining engineer is at home in East Lodge, Crook And Billy Row with his Dad Lawrence Candler a colliery agent, his Mum Anna (nee Vlieland) and his grandma Sarah Vlieland
The following year he is in London marrying the child of Anna's sister Sarah

Alice Mary Snell

We asked you to help us find more information about the Snell family and in less then one hour we knew quite a bit.
Due to an holiday it took some time to put it in the blog.

Alice Mary Snell is the daughter of  Charles Henry Snell and Sarah Heath Vlieland .
The first thing we hear from her is in the census .

Alice Mary Snell 1871 census: North Street (Clarendon House), Charles, Plymouth (school) pupil age 13

this Clarendon House.

The School catered for the daughters of officers in the Army and Navy and of those in the professional classes. 

And we know that at the time of his marriage Charles was in the army.

It was quite a mixed class as some pupils were born in India, Australia, Antwerp, Jersey.

Then there is the marriage of Alice Mary Snell in the paris Church of Camberwell in Surrey.

She marries Lewis William Murrayton Murray in January 1882

one of the witnesses was her dad - the other seems to be Catherine Veri Vlieland Snell her sister.

Allthough the name of the groom is extended we can tell you Lewis William Maurrayton Murray Whitford was his complete name .

Births Jun 1856 WHITFORD Lewis William Murrayton Murray Liskeard 5c 86 

1871 census: Lewis W M Murray; 2 Kimberley Place, Falmouth scholar age 14
1881 census: Penrith Liskeard Cornwall 24 farmer employing 2 men
Death: Lewis Murray Q2 1894 Age at Death:37 Liskeard Volume:5c Page 43

 

Note: surname of Whitford is housekeepers name. His sister Edith Jane is also registered as Edith Jane Whitford at Liskeard Q1 1858 vol 5c p90 and Emma Mary Whitford Liskeard Q2 1860 vol 5c p79 - alll 3 registered as Whitford is surely not a clerical error!

1861 census: Castle Villa, Castle Street, Liskeard age 4 with father William Murray 45 auctioneer sisters: Edith Jane Murray 3 and
Emma Mary Murray 7 PLUS: housekeeper Jane Whitford 29 and 2 servants

*in 1841 census William Murray 25 is at home at Church Street, Liskeard with his father also William
Murray n/t 1851 census
Children of Alice and Lewis are to be found in the census of 1891
1891 census: Pevrith Windsor, St Martin, East Looe Cornwall Lewis 35 farmer with spouse Alice 33
 - 3 sons William C S 8, George F 6, John C 4, all born St Martins, Cornwall and 2 servants
Births Dec 1882 Murray William Charles L Liskeard 5c 65
Births Sep 1884 Murray George Frederick Liskeard 5c 63
Births Dec 1886 Murray John Coxetter Liskeard 5c 61

The early life of Alice Mary Snell contained some turmoil , with the erratic behaviour of her father Charles Henry Snell, no doubt causing her much grief. Her problems would return.

In the blog of woensdag 22 augustus 2012 we learned about her marriage to Lewis William Murrayton Murray on 28 Jan 1882. Lewis is born in Cornwall in 1856 and in the 1881 census is shown as a farmer employing 2 men. He dies in 1894 aged 37 leaving his wife with three young children. The story of what happens is tragic.


The 1891 census shows him at Pevrith Windsor, St Martin, East Looe Cornwall He is 35, a farmer with his spouse Alice Mary Snell 33 (daughter of Sarah Heath Vlieland). They have 3 sons William Charles 8, George Frederick 6, John Coxetter 4, all born St Martins, Cornwall and they have two servants.

The children are registered as follows:
q4 1882 Murray William Charles L Liskeard 5c 65
q3 1884 Murray George Frederick Liskeard 5c 63
q4 1886 Murray John Coxetter Liskeard 5c 61


He is a successful farmer and horse breeder. The Western Times of 07 August 1891 reports on the West of England Horse Show where his horses win prizes:

Hacks or Hunters 1st; £6 Lewis W Murray Looe -"The Dream"

Brood Mares calculated to produce hunters in foal; 3rd £1 Lewis William Murray Looe - "Village Girl"

He is also, unfortunately a drinker; seemingly on a 'too regular' basis. One visit to his local had tragic consequences! He is good friends with Joseph Congdon of Badham, Duloe and on 27th March 1894 they both seem to drink too much, ending up in The Bell Hotel at Liskeard.


19 April 1894 - Cornishman On a charge of the manslaughter of Lewis William Murray, Joseph Congdon, of Badham, Duloe, was on Thursday at Liskeard committed to the ensuing assizes

14 June 1894 - Western Morning News report of the Cornwall Summer Assizes which had resumed the previous day tells the story of his trial of "for the manslaughter of Lewis Wm. M. Murray" as does the Royal Cornwall Gazette, both in great depth. This is a summary of the various reports. Witnesses and reporters have differing accounts. This seems to be the most likely story:.


Murray, 37, "a gentleman farmer living near Looe" had long been a 'hard liver' and heavy drinker (rendering him more prone to erysipelas" an acute, febrile infectiousdisease, caused by a specific streptococcus, characterized by diffusely spreadingdeep-red inflammation). The accused was a man of means living in Liskeard. They met at the Barley Sheaf Liskeard after the cattle market where they had a good deal of drink.

They then both ended up at the Bell Hotel, Congdon considerably the worse for drink. Murray, it is suggested, was so drunk at the Bell Hotel that Congdon suggested that they went home together .... Murray shook him off and would not go. and Congdon had sat on the bench behind the door and fallen asleep . In due course someone, possibly Lewis, tried to wake him from his drunken sleep by shaking him by the arm and putting his hand on his his head.

...witnesses agree both prisoner and deceased were the worse for drink ... one saw the prisoner who was flourishing his stick hit the deceased with it...the two men closed, struggled and then fell...as Lewis fell either struck or passed close to the edge of the seat... bleeding from a wound over the left eyebrow. ... one witness said that Lewis thought "it was nothing" another that he told Congdon "You have struck me with a stick . I will make you pay for it" (three men, including Courtney Sergeant, Bell landlord, when cross-examined confirmed that they had not seen the actual blow)..

...both were turned out and Murray rode the three and a half miles home....widow Alice stated he came home at 11:15 PM ... following day ...complained of being distracted in the head which became very much swollen. On March 29th she called in Drs Bond and Harty. The wound was poulticed but Murray continued to get worse and on 2nd April he died.

Alice was, as you see above, called by the prosecution and reported a conversation with her husband's friend. to quote the Western Morning News: After the inquest prisoner called on her and said ... "I should not have done it if there had been anyone to take me away; but that is the worst of the Bell. They will let you do anything you like there...""

Dr William Hammond of Liskeard who performed the post mortem ...(said) deceaseds skull was the thinnest he had ever seen. It was semi transparent and a really violent blow must have fractured it. .... the liver spleen and kidneys were diseased ... caused by excessive dirinking ... never seen organs in such a state ...

The defence summarised that, though Congdon had struck out wildly with the stick and hit two of the company, there was no evidence that he had actually struck Lewis.

Character witnesses including his Vicar, Reverend Bush, and his Bank Manager reported Congdon "bore a high character as a peaceful good natured man incapable of an unkind action"

The Judge's summing up was that the jury had to decide whether Joseph Congdon had struck the blow (the fact that such a blow would not have killed a fit man was irrelevent) or whether Lewis was the aggressor and Lewis had struck his head on the bench and the jury returned a verdict of not guilty and prisoner was discharged.


And what of Alice Mary Murray (nee Snell)? Her words to Joseph Congdon at that meeting after the inquest sum it up: "You have left me in a dreadful place with three boys to bring up". Joseph had told her "I will help you. I will make recompense". Alice's Mother in Law Jane who had been present had said "You will have to Mr Congdon..." I have as yet been able to trace none of the four in subsequent censuses....

Many Thanks to Ray for all this information!

and to Gilly for the certificates !

Hi,

I recently read your blog post on the MURRAY family (http://jnvlieland.blogspot.com/2012/08/alice-mary-snell.html) and it helped me understand on of George Worgan's daughters - her name was Charlotte and she was William Murray's first wife. i cited you in the post:

randomfh.blogspot.com/2014/08/children-of-george-worgan.html

Charles Henry Snell

Today we go to the husband of  Sarah Heath Vlieland
She married Charles Henry Snell in 1856. And died in 1863
Although Charles Henry is down as a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy at the time of his marriage, he is down in all census records as a chemists dispenser and at one time in his career at Plymouth’s Royal Naval Hospital
Charles Henry Snell is the son of George Snell and Mary Tolver Ransome



who married 13 Jun 1827 , Potter Heigham, Norfolk, England
of Worsted Norfolk and Grandson of John Snell and Laetitia Coxetter Snell of Portsea, Hampshire.
Worstead St Mary
470 /17/03/1833 /Charles Henry SNELL/ George SNELL/ Lieutenant In Navy/ Mary Tolvie
Charles Henry’s father George and 2 of George’s brothers William Snell and John Coxetter Snell all served in the Royal Navy as lieutenants and later became Commanders. The Coxetter name comes from their parents, a John Snell and his wife Laetitia Coxetter Snell.
There were 3 children from this marriage with Sarah Heath Vlieland
Alice Mary Snell
Catherine Vere V. Snell
Charles Blomfield Vlieland Coxeter Snell who died at the age of 20.
Later Charles has to be remarried as in the census of 1881 and there is a 5 year old daughter Mary de Vere Snell.

Household	Gender	Age	Birthplace
head	Charles H Snell	M	48	, Norfolk, England
daughter	Catherine V Snell	F	22	Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
daughter	Marie De Vere Snell	F	5	London N, Middlesex, England

name:	Marie De Vere Snell
age:	5
gender:	Female
birth year:	1876
birthplace:	London N, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household:	Daughter
marital condition:	Single
profession/occupation:
address:	178 Commercial Rd
census place:	Camberwell, Surrey, England
disability:
record type:	Household
family history library film:	1341160
the national archives reference:	RG11
piece/folio:	688 / 13
page number:	20
	Household	Gender	Age	Birthplace
head	Charles H Snell	M	48	, Norfolk, England
daughter	Catherine V Snell	F	22	Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
daughter	Marie De Vere Snell	F	5	London N, Middlesex, England

It would also be interesting if anyone knows what happened to their daughters Alice Mary Snell after 1861 and Catherine Vere Snell after 1881 as they seem to disappear,was what a familymember wondered .
Thanks to Ray we now know what happened to all of them.
For the whole story
Charles Henry Schnell part one