Alice Ellen Hughes

 Name: Alice Ellen Hughes

Event Type: Marriage
Event Place: Westhampnett, Sussex, England
Registration District: Westhampnett
County: Sussex
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1907
Volume: 2B
Affiliate Line Number: 101
Possible Spouse: Reginald Peel

Grace Rosalind Maria Edwards

 Name: Grace Rosalind Maria Lamoury

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 20 Nov 1867
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1866
Mother's Name: Catherine Cecelia Florence Lamoury

Name: Thomas Edwin Beale

Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Oct 1887
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1865
Father's Name: Edwin Stephen Beale
Spouse's Name: Grace Rosalind Maria Edwards
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Edwards

Catherine Cecilia Florence Lamoury

 Name: Thomas William Alfred Edwards

Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1867
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Father's Name: Anthony Edwards
Spouse's Name: Catherine Cecilia Florence Lamoury
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Spouse's Father's Name: Anthony Dides Lamoury

Name: Catherine Cecilia Florence Edwards

Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 24 Aug 1901
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Age: 54
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Year (Estimated): 1847
Death Date: 24 Aug 1901
Spouse's Name: Thomas William Edwards
Spouse's Gender: Male

Name: Grace Rosalind Maria Lamoury
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 20 Nov 1867
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1866
Mother's Name: Catherine Cecelia Florence Lamoury

Westhampnett in Peace and War

 Westhampnett in Peace and War

We know that Reginald and Violet Peel moved to the village of Westhampnett, near Chichester in West Sussex, around 1926, as Laurence was born there in 1927 and Michaell in 1929.

The village has a Saxon origin, predating the Norman conquest, and lies on Stane (‘Stone’) Street, the 50-mile Roman road from London to Noviomagus Reginorum (Saxon Chichester, home to the Celtic Regnenses, a satellite of the Atrebates tribe), now the A285 A-road. In the Domesday Book, when the village was part of the ancient manor of Boxgrove, there was woodland, scrubland for grazing pigs, a mill and 16 cottager holdings, with an annual value to the lord of the manor of £3.

Just over a mile up the road are the ruins of the fortified manor of Halknaker (locally called ‘Ha’naker’) and the windmill on Halnaker Hill, which gives us another Vlieland connection. The poet Hilaire Belloc, a prominent voice in the ‘Flee to the Fields’ movement along with William Shove (eldest son of Alice Vlieland’s sister Bertha and Frances Vlieland’s best man at her marriage to Reginald Peel in 1906), mourned the death of rural England in his 1923 poem Ha’naker Mill, which reminds us of the desolation of the Coulson mills in Boughton under Blean the 1870s:

‘the sweeps have fallen from Ha’naker Mill. ...

Ruin a-top and a field unploughed.’

There is another description of Westhamptnett, in 1940: ‘a small grass airfield, nestled at the foot of the downs’ from where the crews of 145 Squadron took part in the Battle of Britain. Squadrons based at Westhampnett during World War II took part in almost every aerial engagement in the European war, and were one of the jewels in the crown of the RAF. The Squadron Leader in charge of 145 Squadron was John Ralph Alexander Peel DFC, DSO, the son of Basil Gerard Peel DSO CBE of the Indian Army 1st Madras Pioneers (decorated in George V’s Birthday Honours in 1923). John Peel is credited with firing the first shots of the Battle of Britain in July 1940; he was in action again on 8 August 1940 when in defence of 20 merchant ships in Convoy CW9, Convoy Peewit, his Squadron of Hurricanes ‘fought the fight of their lives’ in a vicious engagement with German dive-bombers over the Channel.

We do not yet know why Reginald and Violet settled in Westhampnett, when Reginald’s family were from Exeter and their later years were in Brighton. Certainly John seems not to be the link, as he only came to the village when he joined his Squadron. We are now exploring the baptismal records for Laurence and Michael to find out their parents’ address when they registered the births and when they arrived in the village. More, we hope, will follow.


The description of RAF Westhampnett as ‘a small grass airfield ...’, and other details in the post, are taken from Westhampnett at War by Mark Hillier, with many thanks.

Thanks Barbara 

Thomas William Alfred Edwards

Name: Thomas William Alfred EdwardsEvent Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1867
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Father's Name: Anthony Edwards
Spouse's Name: Catherine Cecilia Florence Lamoury
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Spouse's Father's Name: Anthony Dides Lamoury

Name: Thomas William Alfred Francis Edwards
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 22 Feb 1848
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1847
Father's Name: Anthony Henry Edwards
Mother's Name: Harriet

Anthony Dides Lamoury

Name: Thomas William Alfred EdwardsEvent Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1867
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Father's Name: Anthony Edwards
Spouse's Name: Catherine Cecilia Florence Lamoury
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1846
Spouse's Father's Name: Anthony Dides Lamoury


Name: Anthony Dedro Lamoury
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1842
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year (Estimated): 1820
Father's Name: Francis Lamoury
Spouse's Name: Eliza Rodrigues
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 17
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Rodrigues

Maria d'Reys

Name: Nathaniel Peel

Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1855
Event Place: Vepery, Tamil Nādu, India
Event Place (Original): Vepery, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1834
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Maria d'Reys
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1836
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph d'Reys

Samuel Peel

Ann Peel wife of Samuel Peel

Event Type: Burial

Event Date: 26 Oct 1853
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Year (Estimated): 1815AA
Death Date: 26 Oct 1853
Spouse's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Gender: Male

Father of Nathaniel Peel


Name: Nathaniel Peel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jun 1856
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Eliza Lamaury
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Rodrigues

Name: Nathaniel Peel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1855
Event Place: Vepery, Tamil Nādu, India
Event Place (Original): Vepery, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Birth Year (Estimated): 1834
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Maria d'Reys
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1836
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph d'Reys

Name: Nathaniel Peel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Sep 1866
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Poona, Bombay, India
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Constance Amelia Bird
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Bird

Elizabeth Lamaury

Name: Elizabeth Lamaury
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 12 Sep 1827
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Quilon, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 9 May 1827
Father's Name: Michael Lamaury
Mother's Name: Louisa

Name: Anthony Dedro Lamoury
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1842
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year (Estimated): 1820
Father's Name: Francis Lamoury
Spouse's Name: Eliza Rodrigues
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 17
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1825
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Rodrigues



Name: Nathaniel Peel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jun 1856
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Eliza Lamaury
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Rodrigues

Ann Peel wife of Samuel peel

Name: Ann Peel

Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 26 Oct 1853
Event Place: Madras, India
Event Place (Original): Madras, Madras, India
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Year (Estimated): 1815
Death Date: 26 Oct 1853
Spouse's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Gender: Male
Samuel Peel and Ann Peel are the parents of Nathaniel Peel 

Agnes Peel

Name: Agnes Peel

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Oct 1870
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Poona, Bombay, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1870
daughter of Nathaniel Peel and Constance Amelia Bird.

Edith Peel

Name: Edith Peel

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 3 Aug 1868
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Asseerghur, Bombay, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1868
daughter of Nathaniel Peel and Constance Amelia Bird.

Clifford Peel

Name: Clifford Peel

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Jun 1874
Event Place: India
Event Place (Original): Indr, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 May 1874
Birthplace: Sealkote Bengal India
 son of Nathaniel Peel and  Constance Amelia Bird.

Constance Amelia Bird

Name: Constance Amelia Bird
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 28 Mar 1849
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Byeullah, Bombay, India
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1849
Father's Name: Thomas Bird
Mother's Name: Catherine Eliza Anna

She married 

Name: Nathaniel Peel

Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Sep 1866
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Poona, Bombay, India
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Samuel Peel
Spouse's Name: Constance Amelia Bird
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Bird 

Their children

Nathaniel and Constance Peel had several children .

name:	Edith Peel
gender:	Female
baptism/christening date:	03 Aug 1868
baptism/christening place:	Bombay, Bombay, India
birth date:	14 Jan 1868

name:	Agnes Peel
gender:	Female
baptism/christening date:	15 Oct 1870
baptism/christening place:	Poona, Bombay, India
birth date:	28 Sep 1870

name:	Reginald Peel
gender:	Male
baptism/christening date:	02 Mar 1873
baptism/christening place:	Moradabad, Bengal, India
birth date:	13 Feb 1873

name:	Clifford Peel
gender:	Male
baptism/christening date:	15 Jun 1874
baptism/christening place:	India
birth date:	19 May 1874
birthplace:	Sealkote Bengal India

Laurence Peel and Lawrence Peel

Laurence Peel and Lawrence Peel

We know that Reginald’s Peel’s fourth son was called Laurence Peel. 

This could well have been in remembrance of another Laurence Peel (1801–88), sixth son
of Sir Robert Peel, who was an MP and philanthropist. 

The Peel family crypt wasvat St George’s Chapel, Eastern Road Brighton, just across the road from EatonvPlace where we know Reginald was living in his last years. 

Laurence bought thefreehold of the church from Thomas Kemp, who had built it in 1826 as part of his development of the Kemp Town district, and the church became very fashionable
in the 1830s when Adelaide, wife of King William IV, worshipped there. 

Charles Lennox Peel, Laurence’s son, who had a chancel and a new east window
constructed, willed it in trust to its congregation on his death in 1889.
Reginald may also have had in mind Lawrence Peel (1799–1884), also related to
Sir Robert Peel, who was a legendary figure in Bengal, Chief Justice and
Advocate-General during his career and undoubtedly known by reputation to
both Reginald and George Nelson Grant during their years in the Bengal civil and
military administration.

Thanks Barbara !

Laurence Peel

 Name: Laurence Peel

Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1927
Registration District: Westhampnett
County: Sussex
Event Place: Westhampnett, Sussex, England
Mother's Maiden Name: Grant

Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flosie May  Grant

Irene Helen Whibley

 Name: Irene H Whibley

Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1920
Registration District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Event Place: Reigate, Surrey, England
Mother's Maiden Name: Hall

Name: Reginald K Peel

Event Type: Marriage Registration
Event Place: Hove, Sussex, England
Registration District: Hove
County: Sussex
Registration Year: 1938
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Affiliate Line Number: 130
Volume: 2B
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Whibley
Possible Spouse: Irene H Whibley

 Irene (known as Rene) had one child, a baby daughter named Barbara.

John Eustace Peel

 Name: John Eustace Peel

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Feb 1923
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Dibrugarh, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1923
Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flosie May

Name: John Eustice Peel

Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1921-1941
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: India
Birth Year: 1922

Name: John Eustace Peel

Event Type: Death Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1986
Registration District: Camden
County: London
Event Place: Camden, London, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 23 Jan 1923

SURREY MIRROR AND COUNTY POST

... stealing £4 10s. and a bottle of gin, John Eustace Peel, (25), said be a deserter from the Army, and living at Samdcrossroad, Reigate, was at Surrey Quarter Sessions sentenced to eighteen months' imprisonment. Peel, who had one previous conviction, asked ...

Published: Friday 19 March 1948
Newspaper: Surrey Mirror
County: Surrey, England
Type: Article | Words: 3002 | Page: 5 | Tags: none

Clarence Nathaniel Peel

Name: Clarence Nathaniel Peel

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 21 May 1919
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Calcutta, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1919
Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flossy May

Questions on Reginald Peel

On a messageboard we found this question.

Reginald PEEL, Clerk, Indian Railways. Born about 1874 : Died 14.1.1938 in registration district Brighton, Sussex. He had one son, born about 1917, Reginald Keith PEEL, who was missing presumed dead after the sinking of HMS Hood in 1941. I think that he may also have had younger sons, possibly called Laurence and Michael. Reginald Keith PEEL married in 1938, but I am unable to trace the date and place of his birth. I believe it to be Sussex. If anyone can help I will be very grateful.

We looked in the blog and there are a lot of answers there.And lots of Information.

Name: Reginald Peel
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 2 Mar 1873
Event Place: Morādābād, West Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Moradabad, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1873
Father's Name: Nathaniel Peel
Mother's Name: Constance

Reginald Peel was first married to Frances Maude Vlieland they had 3 children .

1.Francis Reginald V. Peel Registered Apr May Jun 1907 - Exeter 5b 412

29/11/1907 Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - 27 Nov at Ajmor, India Francis Reginald Vlieland, dearly loved child of Reginald and Frances Maude Peel , aged 9 months
2.Clifford Nicholas Vlieland Peel born 1909
3.Barbara Peel born 25 November 1911.

After Frances died he remarried Violet Mona Flossy May Grant and after Reginald died she remarried Horace Grant

Name: Reginald Keith Peel
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 19 Sep 1917
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Naini Tal, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1917
Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flossie May

Name: Clarence Nathaniel Peel
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 21 May 1919
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Calcutta, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1919
Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flossy May

Name: John Eustace Peel
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Feb 1923
Event Place: Bengal, India
Event Place (Original): Dibrugarh, Bengal, India
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1923
Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flosie May

Name: Laurence Peel
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1927
Registration District: Westhampnett
County: Sussex
Event Place: Westhampnett, Sussex, England
Mother's Maiden Name: Grant

Father's Name: Reginald Peel
Mother's Name: Violet Mona Flosie May

Name: Michael Peel
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1929
Registration District: Westhampnett
County: Sussex
Event Place: Westhampnett, Sussex, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3): Violet Grant
fathers name  Reginald Peel
Volume: 2B
Page: 498

You can find all information about British family's in Inda in a special database called Fibis 

Clive Vale House and Frances Samworth

Clive Vale House, formerly Clive Vale Farm. 

 In 1852 Edward Lear lodged at Clive Vale Farm, and Holman Hunt came to join him. 

 At the house, Holman Hunt painted one of his best known works, ‘Our English Coasts or Strayed Sheep’ (see below), along with ‘Fairlight Downs, Sunlight on the Sea’, and the flowers round the bottom of the ‘Light of the World’. 

 Holman Hunt and Lear were visited at Clive Vale by Millais and other Pre-Raphaelite frequenters of Hastings. 

This was written by the present owner 

What would we do without Google? 

 One of the Samworth girls is Frances Samworth and she was Married to Jerome Nicholas Vlieland.

Annie and Joanna and Frances Samworth

Annie and Joanna  and Frances Elisabeth Samworth

Ann moved among the Pre-Raphaelite artist circles, exhibiting work with Holman Hunt and Barbara Bodichon [the ‘Barbara’ in the blog who was an artist and noted philanthropist who helped to found Girton College and is buried in Battle near Hastings]. 
Ann, Barbara and her children went on painting excursions to places such as the Dripping Well in Fairlight Glen on the cliffs above Hastings. 
Ann’s daughter Joanna studied with William Collingwood Smith, an outstanding teacher and Member of the Royal Water Colour Society who had a studio in Brixton in south London, and after 1851 in Paris with Henri Scheffer.

here some blogpictures found on google.
Here more about the Dutch painters Scheffer .
They were born in Dordrecht Holland and left after living in The Hague,Rotterdam and Amsterdam for Paris in 1811.This happened after the death of their father.

Amazing what you discover and forget  about all these people in your own blog.

the Live Bait Squadron

"the Live Bait Squadron "tells the story of one of the greatest shipping disasters in world history that took place 22 miles off the coast of Scheveningen. On 22 September 1914, three British cruisers patrol the North Sea. The First World War started seven weeks ago. There are 2300 crew members on board. They are completely surprised by a new, destructive weapon: the German U-boat. With just six torpedoes, 1,459 men and boys are killed in an hour and a half. The disaster has received little attention for 100 years. Today the three mass graves are at a depth of 30 meters. How did it come to this a century ago? And what has happened to these seaman's graves since then? In 2014 Klaudie Bartelink made an impressive film about this disaster. With the story of then and now and the memories of the relatives. "the Live Bait Squadron " vertelt het verhaal van één van de grootste scheepsrampen in de wereldgeschiedenis die 22 mijl uit de Scheveningse kust plaatsvond.Op 22 september 1914 patrouilleren drie Britse kruisers op de Noordzee. De Eerste Wereldoorlog is zeven weken geleden begonnen. Aan boord zijn 2300 bemanningsleden. Ze worden volledig verrast door een nieuw, destructief wapen: de Duitse U-boot. Met slechts zes torpedo’s komen 1459 mannen en jongens in anderhalf uur tijd om het leven. De ramp krijgt 100 jaar lang weinig aandacht. Vandaag liggen de drie massagraven op een diepte van 30 meter. Hoe heeft het een eeuw geleden zover kunnen komen? En wat is er sindsdien gebeurd met deze zeemansgraven?In 2014 maakte Klaudie Bartelink een indrukwekkende film over deze ramp. Met het verhaal van toen en nu en de herinneringen van de nabestaanden.

Jan van Speijk

 

Yesterday we were looking and trying to find out ,what happened to Jan Vlieland.

 We finally dicovered how he died .

We knew from the records he died in the military hospital in Bergen op Zoom in 1832.

We knew it was the hospital where all the victims of the siege of Antwerp were hospitalised .

But that was it .But now we discovered he was a voluntary mariner on his majesty's gunboat.

While trying to find a picture of the gunboat, an historic event appeared.

A famous Dutch naval Lieutenant Jan van Speijk did not  want the Belgians  to  get his gunboat 

I'd) rather be blown up" than to surrender .
And that is what he did .

And now it is still a famous Dutch saying "dan liever de lucht in ".I'd rather be blown up


And you guess who was one of the victims on that ship......Jan Vlieland.

 

part of the coat of Jan van Speijk sold by Christies.

more items from the ship 

family tree of Jan Vlieland 

Jan Vlieland also prisoner of war in Chatham

Jan Vlieland P.O.W.
Another one missing ,this time Jan Vlieland.
His first name is written as Ian and Jean.
He was seaman first on the Samson and 4 years late on the Elisabeth, and he claimed to be from Vlarinque which is Vlaardingen.






First name(s) :Ian
Last name :Vlieland
Age :21
Birth year :1791
Year :1812
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number :
Rank
Ship name
Name of ship or camp received from :Samson
Prison camp or ship
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/218
Document details :"Kron Prinds" (ship). Various nationalities, 1811-1813.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain
This is just the index of the prisoners.

The papers that tell us about the other crew , the reason for arrest and so on are not opened yet.
These papers are still kept at the National Archives in Brittain.
Just like the papers of Hendrik Vlieland and his ship ,We managed to get those out and had them photocopied but these are still sealed and can not be read

But this archive and everything it refers to



First name(s) :Jean
Last name :Vlieland
Age :25
Year
Nationality :French
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number
Rank :Seaman
Rank as transcribed :Seaman
Ship or corps :L'Elisabeth
Ship name :L'Elisabeth
Prison camp or ship :Chatham
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/547
Document details :General alphabetical list of prisoners of war, c1755-c1831.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain


We find him with a different ship The Maria Elisabeth .

Resultaten:

Jaargang 1813,,

… schipper Pieter van der Waard - Naar Londen het Hollands bomscheepje MARIA ELIZABETH schipper Jan Vlieland - Naar Hull voor enig vlas en zaad om ui terlijk den 21 december te vertrekken op …

Jaargang 1814,,

… Schepen; de VROUW ANNA Kie n Alberts Bos; de GOEDE VERWACHTING Jan Kemp; MARIA ELISABETH Jan Vlieland OHC 190514 In den Briel zijn binnengekomen A Poort (opm: MARIA) A de Vos (opm: …

Here we find Jan with the new law and all the papers and passports on his way to London.

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A year later he is still on this ship ,but now to Havre le Caen.

In 1832 he died in Bergen op Zoom Brabant in the militairy hospital.

His wife Neeltje Ouwehand and his children Sofia and Pietertje Vlieland receive some money as he was wounded during the siege of the citadel of Antwerp in 1832 on board ghis majesty;s gunboat 22 and died.days later 

He was a voluntarily mariner  first class on his majesty's gunboat number 22.

list of volunteers  who served under mister Bronovo  from the villages of Katwijk and Valkenburg 

 

Cornelis Vlieland of Kees Vrijland

We know Cornelis Vlieland went missing in 1796 .

His daughter needed his consent on her wedding and  had to certify that he was missing by the statement of several persons that knew her father well.

We know a man named Kees Vrijland was a prisoner of war at that time in Chatham.

You may think  the names are not the same ,but in Holland Kees and Cornelis are the same .

Sometimes the name Cornelis is used in official document and Kees is the name used everyday.

The name Vlieland was pronounced and written down by a clerck ,who wrote it down as it was pronounced. So this could be our Cornelis . The next entry as a prisoner of war is Arry Vrijland .

Same story .Arrie must be Arie Vrijland .

First name(s):Kees
Last name:Vryland
Year:1797
Service number:-
Rank:-
Ship name:-
Prison camp or ship:Chatham
Country of imprisonment:
Conflict:Napoleonic Wars
Archive:The National Archives
Archive reference:ADM 103/483
Document details:Register of Dutch POWs 1796
Record set:Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category:Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory:Regimental & service records
Collections fromGreat Britain

So now we know they were there ,but why are they prisoner of war in the Napoleontic war , why is never heard of them.Most likely ,they were taking prize ,but from what ship.

 From Ary we find in the archives 

First name(s) Avy Cornelius
Last name Vrieland
Year 1798
Death year 1798
Service number -
Rank -
Ship name -
Prison camp or ship Sandwich Prisr Ship, Chatham
Country of imprisonment prison ship
Conflict Napoleonic Wars
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 103/405
Document details Register of Dutch POWs, Sandwich (ship), 1797-1801
Record set Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records

So he died in hospital but so far we did not find Cornelis 

They were not the only  prisoners of war.

Between 1793 and 1815 approximately one-quarter of a million prisoners of war were held in Britain.
At Chatham between 1803 and 1814 there were approximately 90,000;at Plymouth between 1793 and 1814, about 175,000; and at Portsmouth for the same period, approximately 360,000. At any one time there were thousands of prisoners confined in these areas and many more at other ports. Yarmouth held approximately 38,000, and Bristol and Liverpool about 40,000 each
Systems for the humane treatment and exchange of prisoners had evolved during earlier eighteenth-century wars.

more about the prisoners of war in the book by Patrica Crimmin

box made by prisoners of war.Maybe the houses are a view on Chatham.

Missing Cornelis Vlieland

Not only are we still searching for Jerome Nicholas Vlieland .
His brother Cornelis Vlieland is also missing

Cornelis was christened on 04-08-1749 in Noordwijk (RK) as a child of Aldert Aries Vlieland and Maartje Jans Langeveld of Noordwijk aan Zee, his witnesses were Neeltje Paulus Zonneveld who was married to Jan Jeroense Langeveld, his maternal grandmother and Willem Jansz (Langeveld) brother of his mother.
 Little can be said about his death, or worse, nothing is known about it! ... Since 1799 nothing has ever been heard of him again.
Before that date, he regularly made the papers listing his travels: Here he is in charge, there he leaves and somewhere he has arrived. To give you an idea, a few of his last trips are mentioned:
(translated by google, but it gives you an idea) 

In Hellevoet in the Meuse C. Haasnoot, W. Lare, W. Cette], all three from Jarmouth, C. Vlieland-van-Bologne,, J. Vlieland, C. Vlieland, both after Bologna.
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 07-12-1781

Amsterdam, Hermen Albcrts Meyer, after Edam, l. T ek- Maas al. Spaanderman, after Nieuwpoort, C. Vlieland, after Rouaan, Klsus BI ra, D. Maasdyk, Jan Vlieland, Jeroen Vlieland, G. Krvnc, P. Groen , M ..; J. Pui *, C. Haasnoot, all to Ostende. Van Vlissinge sailed out of Cape Turck. with a New prizeship
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 26-11-1781

ROTTERDAM den 24 Juny. The afternoon of 22 arrived at Helvoetsuis J. Wallis of Libau, and sailed Kapt. llcarn, with the Letters of the 21 of these, after llarn-icli; the ai. in the morning, sailed after sea M. Browis after Falmouth and X Tejlcffco after llelmshoeg, and Kapt arrived. Bridge, soot The Letters of the? Of this, of (Larwich: the Wind West, The 22, arrived in the Maas J. Blaauw van Bergen, S.J. Vonk van Libau,
1. Stevens van Wind: onion. R. Millis and J. Vink of London, J-Collenettc of Guernsey and C. Vlieland of Sandwich,
Rotterdam newspaper 25-06-1791 and den 23, D. de Vries van Polen, S. J. Zwart

Leeuwarder courant 17-05-1794
Inside of Topsham C. Vlieland

Maas C. Vlieland from London Amsterdam newspaper 18-11-1794

C. 'Vlieland', 'all three from Rotterdam.U.H.l i' t and 't Vlie have entered Leydse courant 31-08-1796

Amsterdam newspaper 21-04-1796: In the Maas within a Hit Cart Ship Good wood, having on board the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope. P. Hammond vau Virginien, most recently from Havre de Grace. G. Varkïvisfer, from Cadix. L. Corel: s, from Cette. B. Roufe, from Dunkirk. J. N. Hoy, of Newcastel. C. Ruyl, from Roftok. S. Mulders, of Wolgsst. T. F. Huil, from Radiant Sin. J. Bomer, of St. Übcs. T. H. Snids, v. Kopp-nhagen H. P. Busch, van Embden. E. Rup, H. Hendriks, C. Vlieland and L. Bel, of London

Goudasche courant 19-04-1796: In Hellevoet has arrived P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'laVre ie Grace; G. Pig fisher, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

The 16th arrived in the Maas C Vlieland of Rouen, Goudasche courant 19-05-1797

In the Maas within C. Vlieland, van Dunkerque. Amsterdam newspaper 25-01-1798
In Ostende the Prussian Ship de Elifabeth, Kapt, has been commissioned. C. Vlieland, from London after Antwerp. Rotterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

The new Hague Dutch newspaper 28-07-1798

In Ostende, the Prussian Ship Elisabeth, Captain. C. Vlieland, destined from London to Antwerp. Amsterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'HaVre de Grace, has arrived at Hellevoet; G. Pig fisherman, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

Goudasche courant19-04-1796
after Rotterdam. Hellevoet and Maas are four-way C. Vlieland, after Havre de Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant27-03-1782
, C. Vink, C Vlieland, both after Havre de 'Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 21-06-1782
Te Hellevoet and the Maas M. Poderfon, T. Potts, K. J. Phfgh, K. PKigh, K. Moojekind, J. Vink, C. Vink, Klstes Kaak, all from Japioiuii, Henry, Peter, vacf. Guernzy, p. p. Fasmcr, f-m Borgen, and left, J. Vlieland, after Rouen. J. Admiral, after St. Vaterie, J, de Reus, after Dunkirk, H. Scttcfborg, A. Oifc », N. Waage, JM van der Deyl, all m. Norway, G. Kiyne, C. Vlieland, J. Vlieland, p. 'Groen, A. van der Wiel, all to Ostend.

Diemer- or Watergraafs-meersche courant 09-11-1781
Van Hellevoet and the Maas HJ Groot, after Curacao, C. Torner, C. Springer, T- C. Malo, all three after Marseille, H. Poort, after Smyrnia, H. Maack, P. Uanfen, both after Barceiorta, HA Venlter, after Bajoene, t. (• Viier, after Cadix, P. Bienvcncu, .1. De Vries, JJ de St. Anna, all dtie after Lisbon, D. Peek, M Reyding, heroes after St. Sebastiaan, T Roclofs, after Nantes, P.Lignou, L. Thomfe, both after Bourdâu * H. Morris, after Rouen, P. Sipkes, after Som, V. Potts, KP Bakker, W. JoUntton, G. Westerdyk, G. Scheepen, G. van der Weyde, P. de Lange, L. Bubbefon, G de Lanj-e, J. Fisch, J. Liekle, G Woodward, R. V / albank, C. Hanfen, C. van Zon, F Nieuswager, JJ Groot, W. Groeneveld, W. Groen, J. Parrelvliet,
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