Clive Vale House and Frances Samworth

Clive Vale House, formerly Clive Vale Farm. 

 In 1852 Edward Lear lodged at Clive Vale Farm, and Holman Hunt came to join him. 

 At the house, Holman Hunt painted one of his best known works, ‘Our English Coasts or Strayed Sheep’ (see below), along with ‘Fairlight Downs, Sunlight on the Sea’, and the flowers round the bottom of the ‘Light of the World’. 

 Holman Hunt and Lear were visited at Clive Vale by Millais and other Pre-Raphaelite frequenters of Hastings. 

This was written by the present owner 

What would we do without Google? 

 One of the Samworth girls is Frances Samworth and she was Married to Jerome Nicholas Vlieland.

Annie and Joanna and Frances Samworth

Annie and Joanna  and Frances Elisabeth Samworth

Ann moved among the Pre-Raphaelite artist circles, exhibiting work with Holman Hunt and Barbara Bodichon [the ‘Barbara’ in the blog who was an artist and noted philanthropist who helped to found Girton College and is buried in Battle near Hastings]. 
Ann, Barbara and her children went on painting excursions to places such as the Dripping Well in Fairlight Glen on the cliffs above Hastings. 
Ann’s daughter Joanna studied with William Collingwood Smith, an outstanding teacher and Member of the Royal Water Colour Society who had a studio in Brixton in south London, and after 1851 in Paris with Henri Scheffer.

here some blogpictures found on google.
Here more about the Dutch painters Scheffer .
They were born in Dordrecht Holland and left after living in The Hague,Rotterdam and Amsterdam for Paris in 1811.This happened after the death of their father.

Amazing what you discover and forget  about all these people in your own blog.

the Live Bait Squadron

"the Live Bait Squadron "tells the story of one of the greatest shipping disasters in world history that took place 22 miles off the coast of Scheveningen. On 22 September 1914, three British cruisers patrol the North Sea. The First World War started seven weeks ago. There are 2300 crew members on board. They are completely surprised by a new, destructive weapon: the German U-boat. With just six torpedoes, 1,459 men and boys are killed in an hour and a half. The disaster has received little attention for 100 years. Today the three mass graves are at a depth of 30 meters. How did it come to this a century ago? And what has happened to these seaman's graves since then? In 2014 Klaudie Bartelink made an impressive film about this disaster. With the story of then and now and the memories of the relatives. "the Live Bait Squadron " vertelt het verhaal van één van de grootste scheepsrampen in de wereldgeschiedenis die 22 mijl uit de Scheveningse kust plaatsvond.Op 22 september 1914 patrouilleren drie Britse kruisers op de Noordzee. De Eerste Wereldoorlog is zeven weken geleden begonnen. Aan boord zijn 2300 bemanningsleden. Ze worden volledig verrast door een nieuw, destructief wapen: de Duitse U-boot. Met slechts zes torpedo’s komen 1459 mannen en jongens in anderhalf uur tijd om het leven. De ramp krijgt 100 jaar lang weinig aandacht. Vandaag liggen de drie massagraven op een diepte van 30 meter. Hoe heeft het een eeuw geleden zover kunnen komen? En wat is er sindsdien gebeurd met deze zeemansgraven?In 2014 maakte Klaudie Bartelink een indrukwekkende film over deze ramp. Met het verhaal van toen en nu en de herinneringen van de nabestaanden.

Jan van Speijk

 

Yesterday we were looking and trying to find out ,what happened to Jan Vlieland.

 We finally dicovered how he died .

We knew from the records he died in the military hospital in Bergen op Zoom in 1832.

We knew it was the hospital where all the victims of the siege of Antwerp were hospitalised .

But that was it .But now we discovered he was a voluntary mariner on his majesty's gunboat.

While trying to find a picture of the gunboat, an historic event appeared.

A famous Dutch naval Lieutenant Jan van Speijk did not  want the Belgians  to  get his gunboat 

I'd) rather be blown up" than to surrender .
And that is what he did .

And now it is still a famous Dutch saying "dan liever de lucht in ".I'd rather be blown up


And you guess who was one of the victims on that ship......Jan Vlieland.

 

part of the coat of Jan van Speijk sold by Christies.

more items from the ship 

family tree of Jan Vlieland 

Jan Vlieland also prisoner of war in Chatham

Jan Vlieland P.O.W.
Another one missing ,this time Jan Vlieland.
His first name is written as Ian and Jean.
He was seaman first on the Samson and 4 years late on the Elisabeth, and he claimed to be from Vlarinque which is Vlaardingen.






First name(s) :Ian
Last name :Vlieland
Age :21
Birth year :1791
Year :1812
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number :
Rank
Ship name
Name of ship or camp received from :Samson
Prison camp or ship
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/218
Document details :"Kron Prinds" (ship). Various nationalities, 1811-1813.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain
This is just the index of the prisoners.

The papers that tell us about the other crew , the reason for arrest and so on are not opened yet.
These papers are still kept at the National Archives in Brittain.
Just like the papers of Hendrik Vlieland and his ship ,We managed to get those out and had them photocopied but these are still sealed and can not be read

But this archive and everything it refers to



First name(s) :Jean
Last name :Vlieland
Age :25
Year
Nationality :French
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number
Rank :Seaman
Rank as transcribed :Seaman
Ship or corps :L'Elisabeth
Ship name :L'Elisabeth
Prison camp or ship :Chatham
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/547
Document details :General alphabetical list of prisoners of war, c1755-c1831.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain


We find him with a different ship The Maria Elisabeth .

Resultaten:

Jaargang 1813,,

… schipper Pieter van der Waard - Naar Londen het Hollands bomscheepje MARIA ELIZABETH schipper Jan Vlieland - Naar Hull voor enig vlas en zaad om ui terlijk den 21 december te vertrekken op …

Jaargang 1814,,

… Schepen; de VROUW ANNA Kie n Alberts Bos; de GOEDE VERWACHTING Jan Kemp; MARIA ELISABETH Jan Vlieland OHC 190514 In den Briel zijn binnengekomen A Poort (opm: MARIA) A de Vos (opm: …

Here we find Jan with the new law and all the papers and passports on his way to London.

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A year later he is still on this ship ,but now to Havre le Caen.

In 1832 he died in Bergen op Zoom Brabant in the militairy hospital.

His wife Neeltje Ouwehand and his children Sofia and Pietertje Vlieland receive some money as he was wounded during the siege of the citadel of Antwerp in 1832 on board ghis majesty;s gunboat 22 and died.days later 

He was a voluntarily mariner  first class on his majesty's gunboat number 22.

list of volunteers  who served under mister Bronovo  from the villages of Katwijk and Valkenburg 

 

Cornelis Vlieland of Kees Vrijland

We know Cornelis Vlieland went missing in 1796 .

His daughter needed his consent on her wedding and  had to certify that he was missing by the statement of several persons that knew her father well.

We know a man named Kees Vrijland was a prisoner of war at that time in Chatham.

You may think  the names are not the same ,but in Holland Kees and Cornelis are the same .

Sometimes the name Cornelis is used in official document and Kees is the name used everyday.

The name Vlieland was pronounced and written down by a clerck ,who wrote it down as it was pronounced. So this could be our Cornelis . The next entry as a prisoner of war is Arry Vrijland .

Same story .Arrie must be Arie Vrijland .

First name(s):Kees
Last name:Vryland
Year:1797
Service number:-
Rank:-
Ship name:-
Prison camp or ship:Chatham
Country of imprisonment:
Conflict:Napoleonic Wars
Archive:The National Archives
Archive reference:ADM 103/483
Document details:Register of Dutch POWs 1796
Record set:Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category:Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory:Regimental & service records
Collections fromGreat Britain

So now we know they were there ,but why are they prisoner of war in the Napoleontic war , why is never heard of them.Most likely ,they were taking prize ,but from what ship.

 From Ary we find in the archives 

First name(s) Avy Cornelius
Last name Vrieland
Year 1798
Death year 1798
Service number -
Rank -
Ship name -
Prison camp or ship Sandwich Prisr Ship, Chatham
Country of imprisonment prison ship
Conflict Napoleonic Wars
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 103/405
Document details Register of Dutch POWs, Sandwich (ship), 1797-1801
Record set Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records

So he died in hospital but so far we did not find Cornelis 

They were not the only  prisoners of war.

Between 1793 and 1815 approximately one-quarter of a million prisoners of war were held in Britain.
At Chatham between 1803 and 1814 there were approximately 90,000;at Plymouth between 1793 and 1814, about 175,000; and at Portsmouth for the same period, approximately 360,000. At any one time there were thousands of prisoners confined in these areas and many more at other ports. Yarmouth held approximately 38,000, and Bristol and Liverpool about 40,000 each
Systems for the humane treatment and exchange of prisoners had evolved during earlier eighteenth-century wars.

more about the prisoners of war in the book by Patrica Crimmin

box made by prisoners of war.Maybe the houses are a view on Chatham.

Missing Cornelis Vlieland

Not only are we still searching for Jerome Nicholas Vlieland .
His brother Cornelis Vlieland is also missing

Cornelis was christened on 04-08-1749 in Noordwijk (RK) as a child of Aldert Aries Vlieland and Maartje Jans Langeveld of Noordwijk aan Zee, his witnesses were Neeltje Paulus Zonneveld who was married to Jan Jeroense Langeveld, his maternal grandmother and Willem Jansz (Langeveld) brother of his mother.
 Little can be said about his death, or worse, nothing is known about it! ... Since 1799 nothing has ever been heard of him again.
Before that date, he regularly made the papers listing his travels: Here he is in charge, there he leaves and somewhere he has arrived. To give you an idea, a few of his last trips are mentioned:
(translated by google, but it gives you an idea) 

In Hellevoet in the Meuse C. Haasnoot, W. Lare, W. Cette], all three from Jarmouth, C. Vlieland-van-Bologne,, J. Vlieland, C. Vlieland, both after Bologna.
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 07-12-1781

Amsterdam, Hermen Albcrts Meyer, after Edam, l. T ek- Maas al. Spaanderman, after Nieuwpoort, C. Vlieland, after Rouaan, Klsus BI ra, D. Maasdyk, Jan Vlieland, Jeroen Vlieland, G. Krvnc, P. Groen , M ..; J. Pui *, C. Haasnoot, all to Ostende. Van Vlissinge sailed out of Cape Turck. with a New prizeship
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 26-11-1781

ROTTERDAM den 24 Juny. The afternoon of 22 arrived at Helvoetsuis J. Wallis of Libau, and sailed Kapt. llcarn, with the Letters of the 21 of these, after llarn-icli; the ai. in the morning, sailed after sea M. Browis after Falmouth and X Tejlcffco after llelmshoeg, and Kapt arrived. Bridge, soot The Letters of the? Of this, of (Larwich: the Wind West, The 22, arrived in the Maas J. Blaauw van Bergen, S.J. Vonk van Libau,
1. Stevens van Wind: onion. R. Millis and J. Vink of London, J-Collenettc of Guernsey and C. Vlieland of Sandwich,
Rotterdam newspaper 25-06-1791 and den 23, D. de Vries van Polen, S. J. Zwart

Leeuwarder courant 17-05-1794
Inside of Topsham C. Vlieland

Maas C. Vlieland from London Amsterdam newspaper 18-11-1794

C. 'Vlieland', 'all three from Rotterdam.U.H.l i' t and 't Vlie have entered Leydse courant 31-08-1796

Amsterdam newspaper 21-04-1796: In the Maas within a Hit Cart Ship Good wood, having on board the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope. P. Hammond vau Virginien, most recently from Havre de Grace. G. Varkïvisfer, from Cadix. L. Corel: s, from Cette. B. Roufe, from Dunkirk. J. N. Hoy, of Newcastel. C. Ruyl, from Roftok. S. Mulders, of Wolgsst. T. F. Huil, from Radiant Sin. J. Bomer, of St. Übcs. T. H. Snids, v. Kopp-nhagen H. P. Busch, van Embden. E. Rup, H. Hendriks, C. Vlieland and L. Bel, of London

Goudasche courant 19-04-1796: In Hellevoet has arrived P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'laVre ie Grace; G. Pig fisher, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

The 16th arrived in the Maas C Vlieland of Rouen, Goudasche courant 19-05-1797

In the Maas within C. Vlieland, van Dunkerque. Amsterdam newspaper 25-01-1798
In Ostende the Prussian Ship de Elifabeth, Kapt, has been commissioned. C. Vlieland, from London after Antwerp. Rotterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

The new Hague Dutch newspaper 28-07-1798

In Ostende, the Prussian Ship Elisabeth, Captain. C. Vlieland, destined from London to Antwerp. Amsterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'HaVre de Grace, has arrived at Hellevoet; G. Pig fisherman, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

Goudasche courant19-04-1796
after Rotterdam. Hellevoet and Maas are four-way C. Vlieland, after Havre de Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant27-03-1782
, C. Vink, C Vlieland, both after Havre de 'Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 21-06-1782
Te Hellevoet and the Maas M. Poderfon, T. Potts, K. J. Phfgh, K. PKigh, K. Moojekind, J. Vink, C. Vink, Klstes Kaak, all from Japioiuii, Henry, Peter, vacf. Guernzy, p. p. Fasmcr, f-m Borgen, and left, J. Vlieland, after Rouen. J. Admiral, after St. Vaterie, J, de Reus, after Dunkirk, H. Scttcfborg, A. Oifc », N. Waage, JM van der Deyl, all m. Norway, G. Kiyne, C. Vlieland, J. Vlieland, p. 'Groen, A. van der Wiel, all to Ostend.

Diemer- or Watergraafs-meersche courant 09-11-1781
Van Hellevoet and the Maas HJ Groot, after Curacao, C. Torner, C. Springer, T- C. Malo, all three after Marseille, H. Poort, after Smyrnia, H. Maack, P. Uanfen, both after Barceiorta, HA Venlter, after Bajoene, t. (• Viier, after Cadix, P. Bienvcncu, .1. De Vries, JJ de St. Anna, all dtie after Lisbon, D. Peek, M Reyding, heroes after St. Sebastiaan, T Roclofs, after Nantes, P.Lignou, L. Thomfe, both after Bourdâu * H. Morris, after Rouen, P. Sipkes, after Som, V. Potts, KP Bakker, W. JoUntton, G. Westerdyk, G. Scheepen, G. van der Weyde, P. de Lange, L. Bubbefon, G de Lanj-e, J. Fisch, J. Liekle, G Woodward, R. V / albank, C. Hanfen, C. van Zon, F Nieuswager, JJ Groot, W. Groeneveld, W. Groen, J. Parrelvliet,
.More about Cornelis Vlieland

Anne Longden

Benjamin Smith met Anne Longden who was a 25 year old milliner from Alfreton.
She became pregnant and he took her to a rented lodge at Whatlington, in Sussex.
There she lived as Mrs Leigh, the surname of his relations on the Isle of Wight.They went to America in 1828, for two years.
On their return to England they lived in Sussex at Brown`s Farm. By 1833 Anne had become ill and Ben took her to Pelham Place in Hastings, for the fresh sea air.
Later that year he took her to Ryde on the Isle of Wight, she died on 30 August 1834.
The record of her burial, in the name of Anne Smith states only that she died at Ryde, no home address.
She was buried at St. Edmunds Church Wooton. He never married Ann, they had 5 children

Anne [1831-], 

Barbara 

Isabella [1830-1873], 

William [1833-] 

Benjamin [Leigh Smith]
He was elected MP for Norwich and while at the House of Commons, he asked his wifes Aunt Dolly Longden or Aunt Julia Smith to look after his children.

thanks to many books about Benjamin Smith  Anne Longdon and their children.

Louis Hilary Shore Nightingale

In a will Benjamin Leigh Smith named as a Beneficiary's Name: Louis Hilary Shore Nightingale.

In this corona time we hear the name Florence Nightingale a lot.
so we look at the familytree first to see if Louis Hilary Shore Smith Nightingale is a familymember

The Nightingale family is known to have been in the Ashover area in the seventeenth century. Thomas Nightingale (1666-1735) started the family's fortunes by smelting lead in a Cupola in Lea where he acquired property.
His second son Peter (died 1763) inherited the smelting business and increased his property holdings in Lea and elsewhere.
He was succeeded by his son Peter (1803) who ran both the business and the estate.
Peter II died childless and both the business and the estate passed to his great-nephew William Edward Shore (1794-1874), whose grandmother Anne was Peter's sister.
In 1815 William Edward Shore took the surname Nightingale.
In the 1820s he rebuilt the house at Lea Hurst and bought an estate in Embley/Hampshire.
His younger daughter was Florence Nightingale (1820-1910), the nursing pioneer popularly known as "The Lady with the Lamp".
William Edward Nightingale had no direct male heir and the estate and business passed to his nephew William Shore Smith (1831-1894) who took the surname Nightingale.
William was succeeded by sons Samuel Shore (Smith) Nightingale (1860-1925) and Louis Hilary Shore (Smith) Nightingale (1866-1940).
The estate was sold in 1946 although the business, Lea Lead Works, had ceased operation some time earlier.
When we google Louis Hilary Shore Smith Nightingale we find that he is also a Beneficiary of Florence Nightingale.
Name: Florence Nightingale
Event Type: Probate
Event Date: 31 Oct 1910
Event Place: Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Middlesex, United Kingdom
Death Date: 13 Aug 1910
Beneficiary's Name: Henry Bonham Carter Samuel Shore Nightingale
Second Beneficiary's Name: Louis Hilary Shore Nightingale
Additional Person's Name: Arthur Hugh Clough


Lea Hurst

So we know he and Florence are related .

What about Louis Hilary Nightingale .

census 1901

Name: Louis H Nightingale

Event Type: Census

Event Date: 31 Mar 1901

Event Place: Paddington, London, England, United Kingdom

County: London, Middlesex

Civil Parish: Paddington

Ecclesiastical Parish: Christ Church

Sub-District: St John Paddington

Registration District: Paddington

Gender: Male

Age: 34

Occupation: Clerk In The Office Of The Masters In Surrey Law Courts

Relationship to Head of Household: Head

Birth Year (Estimated): 1867

Birthplace: Westminster, London

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace

Louis H Nightingale Head M 34 Westminster, London

Mary E Culver Servant F 42 Dunkirk, Kent

Ellen Wallis Servant F 27 Newnham, Cambridgeshire

Ada A Wyatt Servant F 23 Ellesborough, Buckinghamshire

he died in WW2

Name: Louis Hilary Shore Nightingale

Event Type: Probate

Event Date: 3 Dec 1940

Event Place: Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom

Event Place (Original): Derbyshire, United Kingdom

Death Date: 27 Sep 1940

Beneficiary's Name: Frederick George Bonham Carter

Second Beneficiary's Name: Lillias Mary Coltman

Additional Person's Name: Herbert Clifford Brooke Taylor