Jan van Speijk

 

Yesterday we were looking and trying to find out ,what happened to Jan Vlieland.

 We finally dicovered how he died .

We knew from the records he died in the military hospital in Bergen op Zoom in 1832.

We knew it was the hospital where all the victims of the siege of Antwerp were hospitalised .

But that was it .But now we discovered he was a voluntary mariner on his majesty's gunboat.

While trying to find a picture of the gunboat, an historic event appeared.

A famous Dutch naval Lieutenant Jan van Speijk did not  want the Belgians  to  get his gunboat 

I'd) rather be blown up" than to surrender .
And that is what he did .

And now it is still a famous Dutch saying "dan liever de lucht in ".I'd rather be blown up


And you guess who was one of the victims on that ship......Jan Vlieland.

 

part of the coat of Jan van Speijk sold by Christies.

more items from the ship 

family tree of Jan Vlieland 

Jan Vlieland also prisoner of war in Chatham

Jan Vlieland P.O.W.
Another one missing ,this time Jan Vlieland.
His first name is written as Ian and Jean.
He was seaman first on the Samson and 4 years late on the Elisabeth, and he claimed to be from Vlarinque which is Vlaardingen.






First name(s) :Ian
Last name :Vlieland
Age :21
Birth year :1791
Year :1812
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number :
Rank
Ship name
Name of ship or camp received from :Samson
Prison camp or ship
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/218
Document details :"Kron Prinds" (ship). Various nationalities, 1811-1813.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain
This is just the index of the prisoners.

The papers that tell us about the other crew , the reason for arrest and so on are not opened yet.
These papers are still kept at the National Archives in Brittain.
Just like the papers of Hendrik Vlieland and his ship ,We managed to get those out and had them photocopied but these are still sealed and can not be read

But this archive and everything it refers to



First name(s) :Jean
Last name :Vlieland
Age :25
Year
Nationality :French
Birth place :Vlaringue
Service number
Rank :Seaman
Rank as transcribed :Seaman
Ship or corps :L'Elisabeth
Ship name :L'Elisabeth
Prison camp or ship :Chatham
Country of imprisonment
Conflict :Napoleonic Wars
Archive :The National Archives
Archive reference :ADM 103/547
Document details :General alphabetical list of prisoners of war, c1755-c1831.
Record set :Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category :Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory :Regimental & service records
Collections from :Great Britain


We find him with a different ship The Maria Elisabeth .

Resultaten:

Jaargang 1813,,

… schipper Pieter van der Waard - Naar Londen het Hollands bomscheepje MARIA ELIZABETH schipper Jan Vlieland - Naar Hull voor enig vlas en zaad om ui terlijk den 21 december te vertrekken op …

Jaargang 1814,,

… Schepen; de VROUW ANNA Kie n Alberts Bos; de GOEDE VERWACHTING Jan Kemp; MARIA ELISABETH Jan Vlieland OHC 190514 In den Briel zijn binnengekomen A Poort (opm: MARIA) A de Vos (opm: …

Here we find Jan with the new law and all the papers and passports on his way to London.

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A year later he is still on this ship ,but now to Havre le Caen.

In 1832 he died in Bergen op Zoom Brabant in the militairy hospital.

His wife Neeltje Ouwehand and his children Sofia and Pietertje Vlieland receive some money as he was wounded during the siege of the citadel of Antwerp in 1832 on board ghis majesty;s gunboat 22 and died.days later 

He was a voluntarily mariner  first class on his majesty's gunboat number 22.

list of volunteers  who served under mister Bronovo  from the villages of Katwijk and Valkenburg 

 

Cornelis Vlieland of Kees Vrijland

We know Cornelis Vlieland went missing in 1796 .

His daughter needed his consent on her wedding and  had to certify that he was missing by the statement of several persons that knew her father well.

We know a man named Kees Vrijland was a prisoner of war at that time in Chatham.

You may think  the names are not the same ,but in Holland Kees and Cornelis are the same .

Sometimes the name Cornelis is used in official document and Kees is the name used everyday.

The name Vlieland was pronounced and written down by a clerck ,who wrote it down as it was pronounced. So this could be our Cornelis . The next entry as a prisoner of war is Arry Vrijland .

Same story .Arrie must be Arie Vrijland .

First name(s):Kees
Last name:Vryland
Year:1797
Service number:-
Rank:-
Ship name:-
Prison camp or ship:Chatham
Country of imprisonment:
Conflict:Napoleonic Wars
Archive:The National Archives
Archive reference:ADM 103/483
Document details:Register of Dutch POWs 1796
Record set:Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category:Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory:Regimental & service records
Collections fromGreat Britain

So now we know they were there ,but why are they prisoner of war in the Napoleontic war , why is never heard of them.Most likely ,they were taking prize ,but from what ship.

 From Ary we find in the archives 

First name(s) Avy Cornelius
Last name Vrieland
Year 1798
Death year 1798
Service number -
Rank -
Ship name -
Prison camp or ship Sandwich Prisr Ship, Chatham
Country of imprisonment prison ship
Conflict Napoleonic Wars
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 103/405
Document details Register of Dutch POWs, Sandwich (ship), 1797-1801
Record set Prisoners of War 1715-1945
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records

So he died in hospital but so far we did not find Cornelis 

They were not the only  prisoners of war.

Between 1793 and 1815 approximately one-quarter of a million prisoners of war were held in Britain.
At Chatham between 1803 and 1814 there were approximately 90,000;at Plymouth between 1793 and 1814, about 175,000; and at Portsmouth for the same period, approximately 360,000. At any one time there were thousands of prisoners confined in these areas and many more at other ports. Yarmouth held approximately 38,000, and Bristol and Liverpool about 40,000 each
Systems for the humane treatment and exchange of prisoners had evolved during earlier eighteenth-century wars.

more about the prisoners of war in the book by Patrica Crimmin

box made by prisoners of war.Maybe the houses are a view on Chatham.

Missing Cornelis Vlieland

Not only are we still searching for Jerome Nicholas Vlieland .
His brother Cornelis Vlieland is also missing

Cornelis was christened on 04-08-1749 in Noordwijk (RK) as a child of Aldert Aries Vlieland and Maartje Jans Langeveld of Noordwijk aan Zee, his witnesses were Neeltje Paulus Zonneveld who was married to Jan Jeroense Langeveld, his maternal grandmother and Willem Jansz (Langeveld) brother of his mother.
 Little can be said about his death, or worse, nothing is known about it! ... Since 1799 nothing has ever been heard of him again.
Before that date, he regularly made the papers listing his travels: Here he is in charge, there he leaves and somewhere he has arrived. To give you an idea, a few of his last trips are mentioned:
(translated by google, but it gives you an idea) 

In Hellevoet in the Meuse C. Haasnoot, W. Lare, W. Cette], all three from Jarmouth, C. Vlieland-van-Bologne,, J. Vlieland, C. Vlieland, both after Bologna.
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 07-12-1781

Amsterdam, Hermen Albcrts Meyer, after Edam, l. T ek- Maas al. Spaanderman, after Nieuwpoort, C. Vlieland, after Rouaan, Klsus BI ra, D. Maasdyk, Jan Vlieland, Jeroen Vlieland, G. Krvnc, P. Groen , M ..; J. Pui *, C. Haasnoot, all to Ostende. Van Vlissinge sailed out of Cape Turck. with a New prizeship
Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 26-11-1781

ROTTERDAM den 24 Juny. The afternoon of 22 arrived at Helvoetsuis J. Wallis of Libau, and sailed Kapt. llcarn, with the Letters of the 21 of these, after llarn-icli; the ai. in the morning, sailed after sea M. Browis after Falmouth and X Tejlcffco after llelmshoeg, and Kapt arrived. Bridge, soot The Letters of the? Of this, of (Larwich: the Wind West, The 22, arrived in the Maas J. Blaauw van Bergen, S.J. Vonk van Libau,
1. Stevens van Wind: onion. R. Millis and J. Vink of London, J-Collenettc of Guernsey and C. Vlieland of Sandwich,
Rotterdam newspaper 25-06-1791 and den 23, D. de Vries van Polen, S. J. Zwart

Leeuwarder courant 17-05-1794
Inside of Topsham C. Vlieland

Maas C. Vlieland from London Amsterdam newspaper 18-11-1794

C. 'Vlieland', 'all three from Rotterdam.U.H.l i' t and 't Vlie have entered Leydse courant 31-08-1796

Amsterdam newspaper 21-04-1796: In the Maas within a Hit Cart Ship Good wood, having on board the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope. P. Hammond vau Virginien, most recently from Havre de Grace. G. Varkïvisfer, from Cadix. L. Corel: s, from Cette. B. Roufe, from Dunkirk. J. N. Hoy, of Newcastel. C. Ruyl, from Roftok. S. Mulders, of Wolgsst. T. F. Huil, from Radiant Sin. J. Bomer, of St. Übcs. T. H. Snids, v. Kopp-nhagen H. P. Busch, van Embden. E. Rup, H. Hendriks, C. Vlieland and L. Bel, of London

Goudasche courant 19-04-1796: In Hellevoet has arrived P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'laVre ie Grace; G. Pig fisher, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

The 16th arrived in the Maas C Vlieland of Rouen, Goudasche courant 19-05-1797

In the Maas within C. Vlieland, van Dunkerque. Amsterdam newspaper 25-01-1798
In Ostende the Prussian Ship de Elifabeth, Kapt, has been commissioned. C. Vlieland, from London after Antwerp. Rotterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

The new Hague Dutch newspaper 28-07-1798

In Ostende, the Prussian Ship Elisabeth, Captain. C. Vlieland, destined from London to Antwerp. Amsterdam newspaper 28-07-1798

P. Hammond, from Virginien, most recently from I'HaVre de Grace, has arrived at Hellevoet; G. Pig fisherman, from Cadix; C Ruye, of Rostok. Te Brielle JH Smidt, van Coppenhagen; C. Vlieland and L. Bel, both from London.

Goudasche courant19-04-1796
after Rotterdam. Hellevoet and Maas are four-way C. Vlieland, after Havre de Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant27-03-1782
, C. Vink, C Vlieland, both after Havre de 'Grace

Diemer- or Watergraaf-meersche courant 21-06-1782
Te Hellevoet and the Maas M. Poderfon, T. Potts, K. J. Phfgh, K. PKigh, K. Moojekind, J. Vink, C. Vink, Klstes Kaak, all from Japioiuii, Henry, Peter, vacf. Guernzy, p. p. Fasmcr, f-m Borgen, and left, J. Vlieland, after Rouen. J. Admiral, after St. Vaterie, J, de Reus, after Dunkirk, H. Scttcfborg, A. Oifc », N. Waage, JM van der Deyl, all m. Norway, G. Kiyne, C. Vlieland, J. Vlieland, p. 'Groen, A. van der Wiel, all to Ostend.

Diemer- or Watergraafs-meersche courant 09-11-1781
Van Hellevoet and the Maas HJ Groot, after Curacao, C. Torner, C. Springer, T- C. Malo, all three after Marseille, H. Poort, after Smyrnia, H. Maack, P. Uanfen, both after Barceiorta, HA Venlter, after Bajoene, t. (• Viier, after Cadix, P. Bienvcncu, .1. De Vries, JJ de St. Anna, all dtie after Lisbon, D. Peek, M Reyding, heroes after St. Sebastiaan, T Roclofs, after Nantes, P.Lignou, L. Thomfe, both after Bourdâu * H. Morris, after Rouen, P. Sipkes, after Som, V. Potts, KP Bakker, W. JoUntton, G. Westerdyk, G. Scheepen, G. van der Weyde, P. de Lange, L. Bubbefon, G de Lanj-e, J. Fisch, J. Liekle, G Woodward, R. V / albank, C. Hanfen, C. van Zon, F Nieuswager, JJ Groot, W. Groeneveld, W. Groen, J. Parrelvliet,
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