Friday, 4 March 2011

Archibald Graham Petter

Archibald Graham Petter was born in September 1886 Lewisham.
Son of Frederick Charles Petter 
He married Barbara Vlieland Peel in February 1943, as his second wife.
His first wife was Violet E.Howard he married in 1911 in Edmonton.



he died at the age of 79 in Brighton.
 census 1891


census 1901



census 1911



Barbara Vlieland Peel was Frances Maude's Vlieland and Reginalds Peel second surviving child,born in Sirwi in November 1911.
The Petter name is a very old one: known in Europe among the Huguenots (cf. Pierre, PrĂȘtre) and Dutch in the 16th century and in England as far back as the Anglo-Saxons: one legend is that part of the family came to England to escape religious persecution. There are Petters in Scandinavia and America, and a large cluster in North Devon. Archibald was born in 1886 in Lewisham but spent most of his childhood around Edmonton in North London one of thirteen children.His mother Elizabeth(b.1851)
died, aged 91, two weeks before Archie’s marriage to Barbara).Nothing is known of his father except that one of his elder brothers was involved in the foundation of Petter Engines (now Lister-Petter), a major South West England engineering company.
Most of Archie`s siblings were sisters ,but one brother traded furs for the Hudson’s Bay Company; and another was killed on stage when a bomb fell on a London music hall during the First World War. As Archie Graham, he was a child actor in the 1890s and a jeun premier (young leading man) before 1910, in melodramas such as William Gillette’s Sherlock Holmes (London premiere, 1899)
and W.W. Jacobs’ The Monkey’s Paw (London premiere, 1903) – he kept for many years a moth-eaten rabbit’s foot as a prop from that show – and developed a variety act on the music halls before the First World War. Unable to fight in 1914 because of poor eyesight he became a troop entertainer in England and France. After the war he rose in the ranks of variety performers, topping the bill in music halls such as the Argyll Theatre, Birkenhead, writing his own material and playing the piano for his own songs – 6 ft tall and 20 stone in his maturity he was a dominant stage presence, with a fine speaking and singing voice. Even near the top, however, it was a grinding life, especially in the winter: travelling to another northern or north-western English town and into cheap new lodgings every Saturday morning, and if you did not wow the audience (in the depressed 1920s, people trying to get out of the rain or away from a wife and children they could not afford to feed) in the Saturday matinee/Saturday night performance, word would get round the town and you would play to half-empty houses on Monday–Friday with poor takings at the end of the week. The audiences were vocal in disapproval, and would demonstrate physically – the old musical hall saying was: ‘If they throw eggs in Wigan, it may only be tomatoes in Warrington’! Summers were better, at the Theatre Royal, Brighton, the de La Warr Pavilion, Bexhill, or the White Rock Theatre, Hastings. The latter town set up a Winkle Club in 1900 to do charitable work and Archie was a leading light – as he was in the Magic Circle (several of his acts, such as ‘The Great Karma’ involved magic and illusionism) and the Variety Club of Great Britain. His stage partner and first wife, Marion Watters, originally a singer/soubrette, was dying of TB by the late 1920s so they went as shipboard entertainers on the White Star line (particularly the ‘Ausonia’) until her death in 1930.
We found her on the shipslist of Ellis Island on the Vaterland in 1914 as a 21 year old and married from Berton Halls Cambridge.
After work with the infant BBC on Station 2LO in Savoy Hill, London, he did childrens’ radio in Australia, South Africa and India until 1939. He was Uncle Archie .



In the Second World War he went back on stage for ENSA (the Entertainment National Services Association: as the acts were often weak, the troops renamed it ‘Every Night Something Awful’) as an entertainer and as a ‘Dispensable’ ...
He was Archie in Archie and Wattie and they toured Australia and New Zealand .

He opened an actors’ lodging house in Hastings Old Town in 1945,

 but the world was changing in the face of competition from cinema and the business failed. Like many actors, he adored Brighton and bought a home there in 1950, although for ten years he partnered Barbara as chef to her matron in a succession of homes for the elderly or girls’ boarding schools. He died of cancer in 1964.
Thanks for all this information to Barbara!
Here all newspaper clippings of Archie and Wattie


departure from Southampton to South Africa 25 June 1920.


and back
About the Petter Engines we found this information.
1865 James Bazeley Petter received the ironmongery firm Harman and Gillett in Yeovil as a wedding present from his father.
He later acquired the Yeovil Foundry and Engineering Works.
Had premises in the Borough, Yeovil.
It was there that two of his children, the twins Ernest and Percival, designed and built a self propelled oil engine in 1892[1].
1895 Percival became manager of the foundry. He developed an interest in the horseless carriage[2].
1897 The twins continued to develop vehicles, the twelfth of which they entered to a competition at Crystal Palace in 1897, without success. Sometime used the name of Yeovil Motor Carriage Co. Failing to achieve the commercial success that they hoped, they adapted the engines for agricultural and industrial use.
The Courier-Mail Saturday 5 March 1949 >
In the newspaper the search for the missing Guy petter.
A 76-year-old inventor, Guy Petter, who lived a quarter of a mile from the house in Kensington where the McSwan's are believed to have been killed.
He has been missing since October.
His son, a Surrey doctor said: "Father's disappearance soon after visiting me.
I do not believe he wandered off 'into the Blue' as was suggested at the time.


Wednesday, 2 March 2011

Joannis Fris

Joannis Fris is the father of Catharina Fris .
Johannes Fris,bapt(rk) on 10-01-1724.
Dopeling Joannes Vader Adam Fris Moeder Maria de Wit witness Joannes Heus Maria Franse


banns 25-04-1744 married for the second time Leiden witness his stepfather Johannes Engelbregt and her stepmother Marijtje Witmans), married 16-05-1744 Leiden Maria Engelbrecht,bapt.17-03-1723 Leiden, daughter of Johannes Engelbrecht (Engelbregt) and Maria Frie (Ferie Parrie).


Their children :
1. Cornelia Fris,bapt 27-01-1750 Leiden.
Dopeling Cornelia Vader Johannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbreek
witness Franciscus Gilis Sara Cock

banns 09-01-1778 Leiden witness his brother Johannes Heusden Kaarssemakerstraat and her mother Marijtje Engelbregt living Waartgragt, marriage 24-01-1778 Leiden met Abraham Heusen,living on the Waartgragt ,cloth weaver bapt 22-05-1745 Leiden, son of Arnold Heusen and Catharina Goetdorp.
Op 16-1-1778 heeft broer bruidegom consent vader overgeleverd

2. Maria Fris (Frits, Trits),bapt.rk 19-09-1753 Leiden.
Dopeling Maria Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Abram Engelbrecht and Truij Fris

banns 27-04-1781 Leiden witness his mother Johanna Kuijters and her mother Marijtje Engelbrecht), marriage 12-05-1781 Leiden with Joannes Joannesz Biegstraten, bapt (rk)03-10-1755 Leiden, son of Joannes Biegstraten en Anna Kuijters (Johanna).
She died tussen 24 en 31 januari 1784.

3. Catharina Fris,bapt (rk) op 27-11-1756 Leiden.

Dopeling Catharina Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Paulus Kriek Catharina Engelbrecht
marriage Amsterdam July 1785 Jan Janszoon Hollander born abt 1755.

4. Johanna Fris (Maria Frits),bapt (rk) op 05-02-1760 Leiden. Dopeling Joanna Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht

witness Jacobus Sonnenbergh Jannetie Engelbrecht
banns22-04-1784 Leiden witness his father Arnoldus van Soest and her mother Marijtje Engelbregt),marries 15-05-1784 Leiden Theodorus Van Soest,bapt 03-10-1758 Leiden, son of Arnoldus Van Soest en Rijmpje Godschalk.

5. Arida Fris,bapt(rk)31-01-1763 Leiden.
Dopeling Arida Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Jacobus van den Bergh and Joanna Engelbrecht


6. Angela Fris,bapt rk) op 28-11-1765 Leiden.
Dopeling Angela Vader Joannes Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Jacobus Jonkers and Angela Jonkers



His marriage was with Maria Engebrecht.

Maria Engebrecht

Maria Engelbrecht is the mother of Catharina Fris .

She was born 17 March 1723 .Daughter of Joannis Engelbrecht and Maria Paris (Ferie ,Farie,Farri)



She married 
Johannes Fris,bapt(rk) on 10-01-1724.



Dopeling Joannes Vader Adam Fris Moeder Maria de Wit witness Joannes Heus Maria Franse
banns 25-04-1744 married for the second time Leiden witness his stepfather Johannes Engelbregt and her stepmother Marijtje Witmans), married 16-05-1744 Leiden Maria Engelbrecht,bapt.17-03-1723 Leiden, daughter of Johannes Engelbrecht (Engelbregt) and Maria Frie (Ferie Parrie).


Their children :
1. Cornelia Fris,bapt 27-01-1750 Leiden.
Dopeling Cornelia Vader Johannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbreek
witness Franciscus Gilis Sara Cock

banns 09-01-1778 Leiden witness his brother Johannes Heusden Kaarssemakerstraat and her mother Marijtje Engelbregt living Waartgragt, marriage 24-01-1778 Leiden met Abraham Heusen,living on the Waartgragt ,cloth weaver bapt 22-05-1745 Leiden, son of Arnold Heusen and Catharina Goetdorp.
Op 16-1-1778 heeft broer bruidegom consent vader overgeleverd

2. Maria Fris (Frits, Trits),bapt.rk 19-09-1753 Leiden.
Dopeling Maria Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Abram Engelbrecht and Truij Fris

banns 27-04-1781 Leiden witness his mother Johanna Kuijters and her mother Marijtje Engelbrecht), marriage 12-05-1781 Leiden with Joannes Joannesz Biegstraten, bapt (rk)03-10-1755 Leiden, son of Joannes Biegstraten en Anna Kuijters (Johanna).
She died tussen 24 en 31 januari 1784.

3. Catharina Fris,bapt (rk) op 27-11-1756 Leiden.

Dopeling Catharina Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Paulus Kriek Catharina Engelbrecht
marriage Amsterdam July 1785 Jan Janszoon Hollander born abt 1755.

4. Johanna Fris (Maria Frits),bapt (rk) op 05-02-1760 Leiden. Dopeling Joanna Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht

witness Jacobus Sonnenbergh Jannetie Engelbrecht
banns22-04-1784 Leiden witness his father Arnoldus van Soest and her mother Marijtje Engelbregt),marries 15-05-1784 Leiden Theodorus Van Soest,bapt 03-10-1758 Leiden, son of Arnoldus Van Soest en Rijmpje Godschalk.

5. Arida Fris,bapt(rk)31-01-1763 Leiden.
Dopeling Arida Vader Joannis Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Jacobus van den Bergh and Joanna Engelbrecht


6. Angela Fris,bapt rk) op 28-11-1765 Leiden.
Dopeling Angela Vader Joannes Fris Moeder Maria Engelbrecht
witness Jacobus Jonkers and Angela Jonkers

Ramak, Jan, wever, gehuwd met Maria Engelbregt; bedeeld, oud 64 jaar, in 1787

Marriage Joannis Fris



Sunday, 20 February 2011

Singapore newspapers.

If you click on the fat print you can read the original articles.
There are 243 articles so here are some examples.

5 October 1917 Singapore free press.
Birth
On the 2nd October,at the European Hospital,Kuala Lumpur,to Mr and Mrs,Archie Vlieland,a daughter.


The Strait Times 19 november 1930
Mr,C.A.Vlieland,the Superintendaent of Census, is indisposed and confined to his house.

Malay Mail press 8 may 1931 reports the following .
C.A Vlieland,Director of Census,and Mrs Vlieland are at present in the hospital suffering from influenza,says the Malay Mail.

The Strait Times 4 December 1933.
Mr.C.A.Vlieland
Economy Officer now in Singapore.

Singapore Free Press 2nd May 1934
Speech from C.A.Vlieland in the Adelphi Hotel

Singapore free press 23 November 1935Prize day at Nge Heng school in Johore.

Singapore free press
13 June 1939.
Local firm to make air raid shelters.
C.A.Vlieland had to had some form of shelter for the population.
A local firm would provide it.

Friday, 18 February 2011

The Oruba

Today we are cruising.
C.J.Vlieland and wife went to Australia on 6 October 1900 on the Oruba.
Many of the passengers on Oruba would have been emigrating to Australia or New Zealand but some would have been travelling as servants of the British Empire, or to follow their professional trades or other occupations.
R.M.S. Oruba Departing Tilbury.
Reproduced by Kind Permission of D. & A. Forman
Built: 1889 by Naval Construction & Armament Co, Barrow.
Tonnage : 5, 852g, 3, 351n.
Engine: Single Screw, Triple Expansion, 3 Cylinders, 764 NHP, 16.5 Knots.
Passengers: 126 First Class, 120 Second Class, 400 Third Class.
Originally built for PSNC for their Liverpool- Valparaiso service, transferred to Orient Line and made her maiden voyage to Australia on the 4th of July 1906. Acquired by Royal Mail in October of 1908 and placed on the South American service to Buenos Aires
And also an advance list of passengers by R.M.8. Oroya, which leaves London to-morrow, is to hand by mail : Mr. and Mn. Attwater, Mrs. Allan, Misses Allan, Mist K. Beach, Mrs. Beach, Mist Brown, Mr. and Mn. Bottle, Miss Brown, Miss Binhop, Mr. Batchelor, Mr. tnd Mrs. Browne, Miss Browne, Maslen Browne, Mr, Cottrell, Mr. Cook, Mist Cabio, Mr. Digby, Mn. Dodson, Mrs. Eyles, Mr. Goodman, Mn. Goodman and child, Mr. w. H, Hop- kins, Mr. Bice T. Hopkins, Mr. and Mn.'.CeciI Hordern, Mr. and Mn. Hawthorn, Mr. Lorimer, Mr. B. Lancaster. Mr. C. Lancaster, Mr. Lancaster, Mr. and Mist Littler, Mr. Loclchrad, Mr. S. F. Mareil. Misa A. Morell, Miss S. F. Morell, Mr Miles, Mist Magill, Matter Nicoll, Mr. and Mrs. ft. W. Nicoll, Mr. Oates, Mr. asrUMrs. Parry. Mn. Pike, Mr. Payne, Misset Payne, Mr, and Mn. Polin, Mrs. Uichaidton, Ker. L. Beiss, Mr. T. Bowlandson. Metsn. Boptr, Mr. Smith, Mr. Bwindley, Miss Sproulle, Miss Swiss, Mr. Smyth, Mn. and Miss Styles, Mr. Scott, Mr. Kcrivoner. sir. nnd Mn. T. A. Spencer, Mr. C. 8. Swan, Miss M. Boan, Mr. and Mrs. E. A. Smith. Miss Vernon, Dr. C. J. Vlieland, Mrs. Vlieland, Miss Wallis, Mr. and Mra. H. A. Willey, Mr. B. Waterhouse, Mr. H. L, Mr. and Mm. J. W. B. Woodhead, Mn. Walpole.
A cabin boy who was on the ship. tells his story of the Oruba in 1910.
It was in the Australian newspaper .
R.M.S. ORUBA.
The following is a list of passengers on the R.M.S. Oruba, from London, via ports:-Mr. and Mrs. Attwater, Mr. and Mrs. W. T. Battye, Mr. and Mrs. Blow, Mr. and Mrs. Burns, Mr. and Mrs. Dallas, Mr. and Mrs. HT. Finch, Mr .and Mrs. Fry, Mr. and Mrs. P. Farquaharson, Mr. and Mrs. Godwin, Mr. and Mrs. GoodĂŒffe, Mr. and. Mrs. C. Hordern, Mr. and Mrs. Hawthorn, Mr. and Mrs. Ker jnode, Mr. and Mrs. Laycock, Mr. and Mrs. J. W. R. Woodkead, Mr. and Mrs. H .A. Willey, Mr. and Mrs. D. Landale, Mr. and Mrs. J. -Tate, Mr .and Mrs. E. A. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. T. A. Spencer, Mr. and Mrs. Savage, Mr. and Mrs. Polin, Mr. and Mrs. Parry, Mr .and Mrs. G. W. Nicoll, Mr. and Mrs. Cole, Mr. and Mrs. Browne, Mr. and Mrs. Buttle; Mesdames Allan, Dodson, Eyles, George, Gpouman and child, Hammond, Josepbv- MacLean, Walpole, Vlieland, Styles, Richardson, Pike, Beach, Bowers; Misses Allan, Bis- hop, Borelli, Cable, Davies, Dixon, Eve- lyn, Fry, A. A. Farquharson, M. Farqu- harson, M. Farquharson, Grubb, Irons, McCarthy, A. Morell, S. F. Morell/Magill, Brown (2), K. Beach, Bishop, Browne, Capel, Collis, Copland, Norton, Payne, Rigby, Schafer (2), Starkey, Sydney, Sproulle, Swiss, M. Swan, Vernon, Wylie
(3), De Worms, Wallis, Captain R. E. Alien, Rev. Barrett, Rev. F. Flynn, Cap- tain W. D. Ingle, Lieut. M. R. Kennedy, Captain McGibbon, Rev. Woodlock, Dr. C. J. Vlieland, Rev. M. Sherin, Rev. L. Reise, Rev. D. O'Brien, Rev. P. O'Brien, Captain Cameron; Messrs. Alexander, Brown, Barber, Beaumont, Borelli, Bor- elli, jun., Butler, Blair, Brett, Batchelor, Masters Browne, Craig, Cram, Copland, Cottrell. Cook, Duff, Digby, Fiedler, Gil- lespie, Goodman, Hicks, Hardy, HobbB, Hermann, Huggins, Hellyer, Hayes, Hop- kins (2), IronB, Kitz, Knight, Law, Lori I mer, Lancaster (3), Lockhead, Mitchell, McKellar, Metcalf, Morassovich, Morell, Master Nicoll, Oakes, Overend, Oates, Patrick, Parker, Phillipps, Payne, Reid, Rae, Ru sell. Rowlandeon, Roper, Senior, Stronghill, Starkey, Shepherd (2), Smith, Swindley. Smyth, Scott, Scrivener, Swan,Willey, Williams, Wilson, Woods, Water- house, Williame, Young.
There are some lovely postcards from the Oruba at that time.
And also a photograph taken when they were crossing the line ceremony´s like this one.



We do not know why C.J.went to Australia.
Maybe he went to visit Arthur Heath Vlieland.
In the family there is a  story  Arthur emigrated in 1880 to Australia.
So far we did not find any trace of him anywhere after his birth.
We looked at all immigration records for Vlieland but also Heath and even Jansen.
But nothing so far.
Maybe he went to India and so Australia was a half way stop.
Later his son Charles Archibald did the same trip.


Royal Mail Ship (RMS) 'Oruba' passenger souvenir life ring. The ship built in 1889 England, chartered by the Orient Line in 1890, commenced the Australian route in 1908. It was scuttled in 1915 and scrapped
In the Australian newspaper we find more then 1430 articles and adverts about R.M.S.Oruba.

Sunday, 13 February 2011

Who is M.Vlieland

We allready know a lot but it brings us many more questions as well.
But the mystery is solved.
The facts
We find in The perlustration of Great Yarmouth: with Charleston and Southtown: by Charles John Palmer on page 177.
presentation of teachers at the start of a new term.
"Another teacher of the French language was M.Vlieland.
He was greatly incensed when, in an action brought against him, the opposing counsel called him Mr. Flyland.
He stated that his sister was burnt to death at Yarmouth in 1870.
This should have happened Jun quarter of 1870.

Betty found out what happened .
Here is what the certificate says:
No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place;
Name: Mary Vieland;
Sex: Female;
Age 78 years;
Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman;
Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth.
Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.
So we know it is Maria (Hollander )Vlieland we are talking about .
But who is this brother M.Vlieland?
It cannot be her sister Susan.She died at the age of 59 in 1849 in Southem.
It cannot be Jerome Nicholas as he died 13 June 1865
It can not be John Vlieland(Jan Hollander)as he died 28-02-1842 Great Yarmouth
If it was the Joannes we are still looking for, he would be at the tome of the fire.(born in 1786 ) 84 years of age and still teaching .
That does not make sense .
Allthough we looked very thoroughly for younger siblings.
Not only on names as Hollander and Vlieland but also,Vieland ,Vrieland,Flyland
We did not find any in Holland.
Could M.Hollander or M. Vlieland be born after 1796 in England?
Even so he would in 1870 at least be 72 and still teaching.
There is also the age of the mother to be considered
Born 27-11-1756 Leiden. She is 40 when in 1796 Jerome is born.
So it must have been in just a few years after JN was born that this brother was born.
Catherine Vlieland deathcertificate confirms that she was 84 in 1841
So if you have any suggestions
let us know jnvlieland@gmail.com
happy hunting.
and in 2011 we solved the mystery

Mary died at the age of 78 years so she must be born 1792.
Formerly a needlewoman it says on the death certificate.
We have Maria (Mary)born on 31-12-1792 and baptised 03-01-1793 Rotterdam daughter of Jan Hollander and Catrina Frits.
Sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
Then Betty found out that there had been an inquest and had found the death certificate.
Here is what the deathcertificate says:
No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place; Name: Mary Vieland; Sex: Female; Age 78 years; Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman; Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth. Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.


Today we found in the Bury and Norwich post of 15 February 1870.


In French Chit Chat of J.N.Vlieland on page 103 (thanks Cliff ) you can find .

Tuesday, 8 February 2011

Seijke Hollander


Born as Seijke Hollander but maybe later changed her name to Susan Vlieland .
Daughter of Jan Hollander and Catharina de Vries
on the 25th of October on the Leuvehaven Rotterdam.
Witness was Maria Schoenmaker.mother of Catharina.
Seijke is the sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor. or the as Jeroen Nicolaas Hollander

Jan Vlieland


Born as Jan Hollander on 27-01-1789 son of Jan de Hollander and Catharina Frits on the Schiedamsedijk in Rotterdam. No witness.
Brother of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
This could be this John Vlieland.
There is also a younger brother Joannes we send for his birthcertificate.
Child Joannes Hollander
Father Joannes Hollander
Mother Caatje Frits
Witness Maria Engelbregt
Place Rotterdam
Date of baptism 30-05-1786 Remarks vader: acath.
Rotterdam archives search page

Joannes Hollander

The scan from Rotterdam arrived today.



Child Joannes Hollander
Father Joannes Hollander
Mother Caatje Frits
Witness Maria Engelbregt (mother of Catharina Fris )
Place Rotterdam
Date of baptism 30-05-1786
Remarks vader: acath.

Monday, 7 February 2011

Mary Vlieland

Thanks to Betty we now know who M.Vlieland is Maria Hollander.
We know there was a fire in Yarmouth and M.Vlieland died in the fire.
Fire in Yarmouth
Mary died at the age of 78 years so she must be born 1792.
Formerly a needlewoman it says on the death certificate.
We have Maria (Mary)born on 31-12-1792 and baptised 03-01-1793 Rotterdam daughter of Jan Hollander and Catrina Frits.
Sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
Here is what the deathcertificate says: No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place; Name: Mary Vieland; Sex: Female; Age 78 years; Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman; Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth. Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.



Saturday, 5 February 2011

John Hislop



In Anything but a soldier by John Leslie Hislop we find a reference to a familymember.

Phoebe Mary Batty nee Vlieland lived in the villa Upalong in Gerrards Cross and is mentioned.


The bus he mentions is the Number 709 or 710 Greenline coach (a 1930s company with extensive services across Southern England, but these routes no longer exist) that ran from Victoria bus station in London via Uxbridge on the way to Amersham and stopped outside Uplalong's front door!

John Leslie Hislop, jockey, journalist, writer, racehorse breeder, racing administrator: born Quetta, India 12 December 1911; married 1945 Jean Bankier (two sons); died Exning, Suffolk 22 February 1994.

JOHN HISLOP, owner-breeder of the great champion racehorse Brigadier Gerard, was probably the finest amateur jockey of all time on the Flat, an excellent rider over obstacles and an outstanding racing journalist. On several occasions after watching Hislop competing in a bumper (amateur Flat race) Sir Gordon Richards said: 'Thank God that chap's not two stone lighter' - and the great jockey meant it.




Hislop was born in 1911 to Scottish parents in Quetta, India, where his father, Major Arthur Hislop, a noted amateur rider, polo-player and pigsticker, was serving in the 35th Scinde Horse. On his father's death soon after the end of the First World War, John and his mother returned to England, and John went first to preparatory school and then to Wellington.

In 1930 he went to Sandhurst, joining a company which included future good amateur jockeys such as Bobby Petre, who was to win the Grand National on Lovely Cottage. Hislop was in the top ride but, after only one term, was invalided out to have a kidney removed. A year later he went first as pupil, then assistant trainer, to Victor Gilpin at Newmarket. He rode a lot of work with leading jockeys throughout the Flat season and, during the winter, rode out for Tom Leader and hunted.

Another winter was spent with Tom Masson, an exceptional horsemaster, trainer of every kind of horse and of jockeys of the calibre of Jimmy Lindley, and who then farmed near Welwyn Garden City. 'To his teaching I owed most of any skill or horsemanship I ever acquired,' Hislop said.

In 1932, after two disastrous point-to-point rides (a refusal and a broken collar-bone), Hislop gained his first success on a chance ride, High Jinks, in the Newmarket and Thurlow Farmers' race. His first win under Rules came in April 1935 in a hunter-chase at Bungay on Catlap, a mare whom Hislop owned and trained. In the same year, Hislop accompanied Victor Gilpin on his move to Michel Grove, near Findon in Sussex, close to Tom Masson, who by this time was established as a public trainer at Lewes.

Hislop gained his first hurdles success at Hawthorn Hill in March 1936 on his own horse Tramaway, beating Rodeo, ridden by the leading hurdles jockey Staff Ingham, by a neck. It was the turning-point of his race-riding career. Through that victory he got a number of winning rides in bumpers on Rodeo and others soon followed. In the two seasons before the war he was champion amateur on the Flat.

In 1938 Hislop had his first ride in the Grand National, then held on a Friday, on Hurdy Gurdy Man, whose lad, just before loosing him from the parade, said: 'This one won't get far, guv'nor. But when you fall, try to keep 'old of 'im. I don't want to have to chase all over bleedin' Lancashire after 'im.' Hislop commented: 'I found this rather disconcerting.' In the event he parted company at the fence after Becher's Brook first time round. However, he rode the same horse next day in the Foxhunters over the same course and distance to finish fourth. 'I was a bit unlucky because he lost a lot of ground trying to bank the Chair.'

As soon as war was declared he went to France with the Sussex Yeomanry (98th Field Regiment RA), was transferred to the 21st Anti-Tank Regiment and was evacuated from Dunkirk. Back home Hislop was transferred to GHQ Liaison Regiment (Phantom), but a bad fall at Cheltenham kept him out of the Army for 18 months, followed by a spell on the staff at Chester. In early 1944 he returned to Phantom, joining Jakie (later Sir John) Astor's Squadron attached to the SAS. After commando operations, first in Loyton in the Vosges with the 2nd SAS, and then on the Dutch-German border, he was awarded the Military Cross.

With peace he returned to racing and became as much the punters' friend among amateurs as Gordon Richards was among the professionals. His superb style, offering minimum wind resistance, judgement of pace, precision timing, balance and perfect rhythmic power in a finish had to be seen (and ridden against) to be believed.

On the Flat, despite steadily decreasing opportunities, Hislop rode the winners of 102 races, including one at Ostend and one in Norway. He was champion amateur for 13 successive seasons (1938-39 and 1946-56), jointly on three occasions. His chief trainers were those masters of their craft Sam Armstrong and George Todd. His best season, 1946, featured 18 rides, 13 winners, a second and only four unplaced.

He rode the winners of 48 races under National Hunt Rules including an amateur riders' hurdle at Fontwell on National Spirit in 1946, the 1948 Golden Miller Chase on Cloncarrig and the 1949 Coronation Hurdle at Liverpool on Coubrador. Riding Kami, he was third to Caughoo in the 1947 Grand National. In his best season over jumps, 1938-39, he finished third on the amateurs' list with 14 wins, just behind Bobby Petre and Dicky Black.

In 1941 Hislop bought his first broodmare, Orama, who became the dam of 13 winners, including Oceama, dam of the Australian champions Todman and Noholme. Then he bought Respite, who, when mated with Nasrullah, produced the 2,000 Guineas winner Nearula. He was joint-breeder of Stokes, runner-up in the 2,000 Guineas of 1951 and half-brother to La Paiva, a mare who failed to win.

Undoubtedly his greatest triumph, with his wife Jean, was to breed and own La Paiva's son Brigadier Gerard, winner of 17 races from 18 starts, including the Middle Park Stakes, 2,000 Guineas, Sussex Stakes, Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (twice), Eclipse Stakes and King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes. With Jean he was leading owner and leading breeder in 1972.

'The Brigadier' was one of the truly great horses of the post-war era, an exceptional miler who was almost as good over 10 furlongs and also won the King George over a mile and a half. He beat Mill Reef and My Swallow decisively in a vintage 2,000 Guineas in 1971, and regularly trounced top-class rivals by wide margins. His talent, courage and consistency marked him as a champion among champions, and his one defeat, by Roberto at York in 1972, will forever remain a mystery.

As a journalist and author, Hislop was outstanding. His knowledge and authority stood out like a beacon, and his style was easy and fluent. He was racing correspondent to the Observer for 16 years and then to the News of the World; breeding correspondent to the Sporting Chronicle and then to the Sporting Life; and managing director of the British Racehorse. His books, treasured by all true racing people, include Steeplechasing (with John Skeaping), From Start to Finish, The Turf, Racing Reflections, Of Horses and Races, Far from a Gentleman, Anything but a Soldier, The Brigadier and Flat Race Riding.

Elected to the Jockey Club in 1971, he was an invaluable asset to the Pattern Race Committee and the Disciplinary Committee. He was a steward at the Newmarket Craven Meeting and at Sandown and Salisbury, where he had dominated the amateur scene for so long.

Always with the interests of racing at heart, John Hislop was chairman of the New Astley Club for stable and stud staff in Newmarket, and trustee of the Stable Lads' Welfare Trust and Racing Welfare Charities. John and Jean had two sons - Ian, a merchant banker, and Andrew, a writer.

The French translate 'To ride as an amateur' as 'Monter a gentleman'. Hislop was the last of the great gentleman riders - in every sense.

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Wednesday, 2 February 2011

Another prayer book

Trying to find out more about William Ernest Parker grandson of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland .
We found out that William Ernest Parker was married to Annie Isobel Grieve
We found that her father Robert Grieve and his wife Henrietta Elizabeth Poole also had a family bible like the Vlieland family on a message board .
This is what it said.
The reason I post this is not because any of these persons are in my family tree, but because years ago, My aunt bought a lot set of books in an yard sale. it wasn't until after she got them home that she realized that in this lot was an old family Bible.
It was the original Bible that Robert Grieve & Henrietta recorded their marriage in 1861, the Birth of their children, the marriages of those children, and later the death of some of those recorded, including Robert & Henrietta themselves. the last recorded date is the death of Hilda Charlotte ( married name Griffin) on Sept, 29 1936.

Also inside this bible is what looks to be a hand written note by the rev who married them, stating that he had indeed preformed the ceremony and a registrar of birth , complete with a watermarked seal and signed by a J.P. by the name of Donald MacKinnon?

My aunt has expressed that she never wanted to throw this away, because it would be very meaningful to someone out there, and had always wanted to return it to the family.

now here is the thing, whom ever contacts me first and just so happens to be the closest living relative of the said couple above will be given this bible back as a family heirloom. Its in great shape, for being 149 years old.The leather binding is still intact, back pocket , illustrations , etc. but only with the promise that it wont end up in a yard sale any time soon.

I am posting this all over the Nova Scotia boards, just in case. and while looking for this family i did manage to find only two trees with this couple, they will be notified as well. I truly hope someone can claim this. If you are the relative that is best suited to own this bible you will be contacted so please leave your email address with me in my message box. thanks .
proof of linage will be requested. ( as in access to your tree

Robert Grieve was married at Sydney, Cape Breton to Henrietta Elizabeth Poole, by the Rev W.E. Gelling on the 11th of June, 1861.
Their children were:
Mary Elizabeth b. april 28th, 1862
Ellen Hunter B. Nov 8th 1863
Lilias Henrietta Sarah b. dec 25 1864
Andrew Richardson b. June 18th 1866
Annie Isabel b Sept 8th 1867
Henrietta Margaret b April 3, 1869
Lucy Alison b. June 6 1870
Isabel Crwaley? b. june 18, 1872
Robert Poole b. Mar 10 1874
jas (jospeh) harvey b, Sept 5 1875
Florence Amy b, Mar 39, 1877
Hilda charlotte b Nov 15, 1878
Edward Leonard b. Jan 29 , 1880
Robert George , b, Oct 18, 1881
After this entry on the blog Chris Harrington proved he was the nearest living relative and received the bible.