The Oruba

Today we are cruising.
C.J.Vlieland and wife went to Australia on 6 October 1900 on the Oruba.
Many of the passengers on Oruba would have been emigrating to Australia or New Zealand but some would have been travelling as servants of the British Empire, or to follow their professional trades or other occupations.

R.M.S. Oruba Departing Tilbury.
Reproduced by Kind Permission of D. & A. Forman
Built: 1889 by Naval Construction & Armament Co, Barrow.
Tonnage : 5, 852g, 3, 351n.
Engine: Single Screw, Triple Expansion, 3 Cylinders, 764 NHP, 16.5 Knots.
Passengers: 126 First Class, 120 Second Class, 400 Third Class.
Originally built for PSNC for their Liverpool- Valparaiso service, transferred to Orient Line and made her maiden voyage to Australia on the 4th of July 1906. Acquired by Royal Mail in October of 1908 and placed on the South American service to Buenos Aires
And also an advance list of passengers by R.M.8. Oroya, which leaves London to-morrow, is to hand by mail : Mr. and Mn. Attwater, Mrs. Allan, Misses Allan, Mist K. Beach, Mrs. Beach, Mist Brown, Mr. and Mn. Bottle, Miss Brown, Miss Binhop, Mr. Batchelor, Mr. tnd Mrs. Browne, Miss Browne, Maslen Browne, Mr, Cottrell, Mr. Cook, Mist Cabio, Mr. Digby, Mn. Dodson, Mrs. Eyles, Mr. Goodman, Mn. Goodman and child, Mr. w. H, Hop- kins, Mr. Bice T. Hopkins, Mr. and Mn.'.CeciI Hordern, Mr. and Mn. Hawthorn, Mr. Lorimer, Mr. B. Lancaster. Mr. C. Lancaster, Mr. Lancaster, Mr. and Mist Littler, Mr. Loclchrad, Mr. S. F. Mareil. Misa A. Morell, Miss S. F. Morell, Mr Miles, Mist Magill, Matter Nicoll, Mr. and Mrs. ft. W. Nicoll, Mr. Oates, Mr. asrUMrs. Parry. Mn. Pike, Mr. Payne, Misset Payne, Mr, and Mn. Polin, Mrs. Uichaidton, Ker. L. Beiss, Mr. T. Bowlandson. Metsn. Boptr, Mr. Smith, Mr. Bwindley, Miss Sproulle, Miss Swiss, Mr. Smyth, Mn. and Miss Styles, Mr. Scott, Mr. Kcrivoner. sir. nnd Mn. T. A. Spencer, Mr. C. 8. Swan, Miss M. Boan, Mr. and Mrs. E. A. Smith. Miss Vernon, Dr. C. J. Vlieland, Mrs. Vlieland, Miss Wallis, Mr. and Mra. H. A. Willey, Mr. B. Waterhouse, Mr. H. L, Mr. and Mm. J. W. B. Woodhead, Mn. Walpole.

A cabin boy who was on the ship. tells his story of the Oruba in 1910.
It was in the Australian newspaper .
R.M.S. ORUBA.
The following is a list of passengers on the R.M.S. Oruba, from London, via ports:-Mr. and Mrs. Attwater, Mr. and Mrs. W. T. Battye, Mr. and Mrs. Blow, Mr. and Mrs. Burns, Mr. and Mrs. Dallas, Mr. and Mrs. HT. Finch, Mr .and Mrs. Fry, Mr. and Mrs. P. Farquaharson, Mr. and Mrs. Godwin, Mr. and Mrs. Goodüffe, Mr. and. Mrs. C. Hordern, Mr. and Mrs. Hawthorn, Mr. and Mrs. Ker jnode, Mr. and Mrs. Laycock, Mr. and Mrs. J. W. R. Woodkead, Mr. and Mrs. H .A. Willey, Mr. and Mrs. D. Landale, Mr. and Mrs. J. -Tate, Mr .and Mrs. E. A. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. T. A. Spencer, Mr. and Mrs. Savage, Mr. and Mrs. Polin, Mr. and Mrs. Parry, Mr .and Mrs. G. W. Nicoll, Mr. and Mrs. Cole, Mr. and Mrs. Browne, Mr. and Mrs. Buttle; Mesdames Allan, Dodson, Eyles, George, Gpouman and child, Hammond, Josepbv- MacLean, Walpole, Vlieland, Styles, Richardson, Pike, Beach, Bowers; Misses Allan, Bis- hop, Borelli, Cable, Davies, Dixon, Eve- lyn, Fry, A. A. Farquharson, M. Farqu- harson, M. Farquharson, Grubb, Irons, McCarthy, A. Morell, S. F. Morell/Magill, Brown (2), K. Beach, Bishop, Browne, Capel, Collis, Copland, Norton, Payne, Rigby, Schafer (2), Starkey, Sydney, Sproulle, Swiss, M. Swan, Vernon, Wylie
(3), De Worms, Wallis, Captain R. E. Alien, Rev. Barrett, Rev. F. Flynn, Cap- tain W. D. Ingle, Lieut. M. R. Kennedy, Captain McGibbon, Rev. Woodlock, Dr. C. J. Vlieland, Rev. M. Sherin, Rev. L. Reise, Rev. D. O'Brien, Rev. P. O'Brien, Captain Cameron; Messrs. Alexander, Brown, Barber, Beaumont, Borelli, Bor- elli, jun., Butler, Blair, Brett, Batchelor, Masters Browne, Craig, Cram, Copland, Cottrell. Cook, Duff, Digby, Fiedler, Gil- lespie, Goodman, Hicks, Hardy, HobbB, Hermann, Huggins, Hellyer, Hayes, Hop- kins (2), IronB, Kitz, Knight, Law, Lori I mer, Lancaster (3), Lockhead, Mitchell, McKellar, Metcalf, Morassovich, Morell, Master Nicoll, Oakes, Overend, Oates, Patrick, Parker, Phillipps, Payne, Reid, Rae, Ru sell. Rowlandeon, Roper, Senior, Stronghill, Starkey, Shepherd (2), Smith, Swindley. Smyth, Scott, Scrivener, Swan,Willey, Williams, Wilson, Woods, Water- house, Williame, Young.

There are some lovely postcards from the Oruba at that time.

And also a photograph taken when they were crossing the line ceremony´s like this one.

We do not know why C.J.went to Australia.
Maybe he went to visit Arthur Heath Vlieland.
In the family there is a  story  Arthur emigrated in 1880 to Australia.
So far we did not find any trace of him anywhere after his birth.
We looked at all immigration records for Vlieland but also Heath and even Jansen.
But nothing so far.
Maybe he went to India and so Australia was a half way stop.
Later his son Charles Archibald did the same trip.

Royal Mail Ship (RMS) 'Oruba' passenger souvenir life ring. The ship built in 1889 England, chartered by the Orient Line in 1890, commenced the Australian route in 1908. It was scuttled in 1915 and scrapped
In the Australian newspaper we find more then 1430 articles and adverts about R.M.S.Oruba.

Who is M.Vlieland

We allready know a lot but it brings us many more questions as well.
But the mystery is solved.
The facts
We find in The perlustration of Great Yarmouth: with Charleston and Southtown: by Charles John Palmer on page 177.
presentation of teachers at the start of a new term.
"Another teacher of the French language was M.Vlieland.
He was greatly incensed when, in an action brought against him, the opposing counsel called him Mr. Flyland.
He stated that his sister was burnt to death at Yarmouth in 1870.
This should have happened Jun quarter of 1870.

Betty found out what happened .
Here is what the certificate says:
No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place;
Name: Mary Vieland;
Sex: Female;
Age 78 years;
Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman;
Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth.
Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.
So we know it is Maria (Hollander )Vlieland we are talking about .
But who is this brother M.Vlieland?
It cannot be her sister Susan.She died at the age of 59 in 1849 in Southem.
It cannot be Jerome Nicholas as he died 13 June 1865
It can not be John Vlieland(Jan Hollander)as he died 28-02-1842 Great Yarmouth
If it was the Joannes we are still looking for, he would be at the tome of the fire.(born in 1786 ) 84 years of age and still teaching .
That does not make sense .
Allthough we looked very thoroughly for younger siblings.
Not only on names as Hollander and Vlieland but also,Vieland ,Vrieland,Flyland
We did not find any in Holland.
Could M.Hollander or M. Vlieland be born after 1796 in England?
Even so he would in 1870 at least be 72 and still teaching.
There is also the age of the mother to be considered
Born 27-11-1756 Leiden. She is 40 when in 1796 Jerome is born.
So it must have been in just a few years after JN was born that this brother was born.
Catherine Vlieland deathcertificate confirms that she was 84 in 1841
So if you have any suggestions
let us know jnvlieland@gmail.com
happy hunting.
and in 2011 we solved the mystery

Mary died at the age of 78 years so she must be born 1792.
Formerly a needlewoman it says on the death certificate.
We have Maria (Mary)born on 31-12-1792 and baptised 03-01-1793 Rotterdam daughter of Jan Hollander and Catrina Frits.
Sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
Then Betty found out that there had been an inquest and had found the death certificate.
Here is what the deathcertificate says:

No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place; Name: Mary Vieland; Sex: Female; Age 78 years; Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman; Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth. Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.


Today we found in the Bury and Norwich post of 15 February 1870.

In French Chit Chat of J.N.Vlieland on page 103 (thanks Cliff ) you can find .

Seijke Hollander

Born as Seijke Hollander but maybe later changed her name to Susan Vlieland .
Daughter of Jan Hollander and Catharina de Vries
on the 25th of October on the Leuvehaven Rotterdam.
Witness was Maria Schoenmaker.mother of Catharina.
Seijke is the sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor. or the as Jeroen Nicolaas Hollander

Jan Vlieland

Born as Jan Hollander on 27-01-1789 son of Jan de Hollander and Catharina Frits on the Schiedamsedijk in Rotterdam. No witness.
Brother of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
This could be this John Vlieland.
There is also a younger brother Joannes we send for his birthcertificate.
Child Joannes Hollander
Father Joannes Hollander
Mother Caatje Frits
Witness Maria Engelbregt
Place Rotterdam
Date of baptism 30-05-1786 Remarks vader: acath.
Rotterdam archives search page

Joannes Hollander

The scan from Rotterdam arrived today.



Child Joannes Hollander
Father Joannes Hollander
Mother Caatje Frits
Witness Maria Engelbregt (mother of Catharina Fris )
Place Rotterdam
Date of baptism 30-05-1786
Remarks vader: acath.

Mary Vlieland

Thanks to Betty we now know who M.Vlieland is Maria Hollander.
We know there was a fire in Yarmouth and M.Vlieland died in the fire.
Fire in Yarmouth
Mary died at the age of 78 years so she must be born 1792.
Formerly a needlewoman it says on the death certificate.
We have Maria (Mary)born on 31-12-1792 and baptised 03-01-1793 Rotterdam daughter of Jan Hollander and Catrina Frits.
Sister of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the professor.
Here is what the deathcertificate says: No. 326; When and where died: Fourteenth February 1870 Malakoff Place; Name: Mary Vieland; Sex: Female; Age 78 years; Occupation: Formerly a Needlewoman; Cause of Death: Accidental in consequence of the clothes deceased was wearing catching fire; Signature, etc: Information received from C. H. Chamberlin, Coroner for Yarmouth. Inquest held 14th February 1870; when registered: Fifth April 1870; Signature of registrar: J. Gayly, Registrar.

John Hislop

In Anything but a soldier by John Leslie Hislop we find a reference to a familymember.

Phoebe Mary Batty nee Vlieland lived in the villa Upalong in Gerrards Cross and is mentioned.


The bus he mentions is the Number 709 or 710 Greenline coach (a 1930s company with extensive services across Southern England, but these routes no longer exist) that ran from Victoria bus station in London via Uxbridge on the way to Amersham and stopped outside Uplalong's front door!

John Leslie Hislop, jockey, journalist, writer, racehorse breeder, racing administrator: born Quetta, India 12 December 1911; married 1945 Jean Bankier (two sons); died Exning, Suffolk 22 February 1994.

JOHN HISLOP, owner-breeder of the great champion racehorse Brigadier Gerard, was probably the finest amateur jockey of all time on the Flat, an excellent rider over obstacles and an outstanding racing journalist. On several occasions after watching Hislop competing in a bumper (amateur Flat race) Sir Gordon Richards said: 'Thank God that chap's not two stone lighter' - and the great jockey meant it.




Hislop was born in 1911 to Scottish parents in Quetta, India, where his father, Major Arthur Hislop, a noted amateur rider, polo-player and pigsticker, was serving in the 35th Scinde Horse. On his father's death soon after the end of the First World War, John and his mother returned to England, and John went first to preparatory school and then to Wellington.

In 1930 he went to Sandhurst, joining a company which included future good amateur jockeys such as Bobby Petre, who was to win the Grand National on Lovely Cottage. Hislop was in the top ride but, after only one term, was invalided out to have a kidney removed. A year later he went first as pupil, then assistant trainer, to Victor Gilpin at Newmarket. He rode a lot of work with leading jockeys throughout the Flat season and, during the winter, rode out for Tom Leader and hunted.

Another winter was spent with Tom Masson, an exceptional horsemaster, trainer of every kind of horse and of jockeys of the calibre of Jimmy Lindley, and who then farmed near Welwyn Garden City. 'To his teaching I owed most of any skill or horsemanship I ever acquired,' Hislop said.

In 1932, after two disastrous point-to-point rides (a refusal and a broken collar-bone), Hislop gained his first success on a chance ride, High Jinks, in the Newmarket and Thurlow Farmers' race. His first win under Rules came in April 1935 in a hunter-chase at Bungay on Catlap, a mare whom Hislop owned and trained. In the same year, Hislop accompanied Victor Gilpin on his move to Michel Grove, near Findon in Sussex, close to Tom Masson, who by this time was established as a public trainer at Lewes.

Hislop gained his first hurdles success at Hawthorn Hill in March 1936 on his own horse Tramaway, beating Rodeo, ridden by the leading hurdles jockey Staff Ingham, by a neck. It was the turning-point of his race-riding career. Through that victory he got a number of winning rides in bumpers on Rodeo and others soon followed. In the two seasons before the war he was champion amateur on the Flat.

In 1938 Hislop had his first ride in the Grand National, then held on a Friday, on Hurdy Gurdy Man, whose lad, just before loosing him from the parade, said: 'This one won't get far, guv'nor. But when you fall, try to keep 'old of 'im. I don't want to have to chase all over bleedin' Lancashire after 'im.' Hislop commented: 'I found this rather disconcerting.' In the event he parted company at the fence after Becher's Brook first time round. However, he rode the same horse next day in the Foxhunters over the same course and distance to finish fourth. 'I was a bit unlucky because he lost a lot of ground trying to bank the Chair.'

As soon as war was declared he went to France with the Sussex Yeomanry (98th Field Regiment RA), was transferred to the 21st Anti-Tank Regiment and was evacuated from Dunkirk. Back home Hislop was transferred to GHQ Liaison Regiment (Phantom), but a bad fall at Cheltenham kept him out of the Army for 18 months, followed by a spell on the staff at Chester. In early 1944 he returned to Phantom, joining Jakie (later Sir John) Astor's Squadron attached to the SAS. After commando operations, first in Loyton in the Vosges with the 2nd SAS, and then on the Dutch-German border, he was awarded the Military Cross.

With peace he returned to racing and became as much the punters' friend among amateurs as Gordon Richards was among the professionals. His superb style, offering minimum wind resistance, judgement of pace, precision timing, balance and perfect rhythmic power in a finish had to be seen (and ridden against) to be believed.

On the Flat, despite steadily decreasing opportunities, Hislop rode the winners of 102 races, including one at Ostend and one in Norway. He was champion amateur for 13 successive seasons (1938-39 and 1946-56), jointly on three occasions. His chief trainers were those masters of their craft Sam Armstrong and George Todd. His best season, 1946, featured 18 rides, 13 winners, a second and only four unplaced.

He rode the winners of 48 races under National Hunt Rules including an amateur riders' hurdle at Fontwell on National Spirit in 1946, the 1948 Golden Miller Chase on Cloncarrig and the 1949 Coronation Hurdle at Liverpool on Coubrador. Riding Kami, he was third to Caughoo in the 1947 Grand National. In his best season over jumps, 1938-39, he finished third on the amateurs' list with 14 wins, just behind Bobby Petre and Dicky Black.

In 1941 Hislop bought his first broodmare, Orama, who became the dam of 13 winners, including Oceama, dam of the Australian champions Todman and Noholme. Then he bought Respite, who, when mated with Nasrullah, produced the 2,000 Guineas winner Nearula. He was joint-breeder of Stokes, runner-up in the 2,000 Guineas of 1951 and half-brother to La Paiva, a mare who failed to win.

Undoubtedly his greatest triumph, with his wife Jean, was to breed and own La Paiva's son Brigadier Gerard, winner of 17 races from 18 starts, including the Middle Park Stakes, 2,000 Guineas, Sussex Stakes, Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (twice), Eclipse Stakes and King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes. With Jean he was leading owner and leading breeder in 1972.

'The Brigadier' was one of the truly great horses of the post-war era, an exceptional miler who was almost as good over 10 furlongs and also won the King George over a mile and a half. He beat Mill Reef and My Swallow decisively in a vintage 2,000 Guineas in 1971, and regularly trounced top-class rivals by wide margins. His talent, courage and consistency marked him as a champion among champions, and his one defeat, by Roberto at York in 1972, will forever remain a mystery.

As a journalist and author, Hislop was outstanding. His knowledge and authority stood out like a beacon, and his style was easy and fluent. He was racing correspondent to the Observer for 16 years and then to the News of the World; breeding correspondent to the Sporting Chronicle and then to the Sporting Life; and managing director of the British Racehorse. His books, treasured by all true racing people, include Steeplechasing (with John Skeaping), From Start to Finish, The Turf, Racing Reflections, Of Horses and Races, Far from a Gentleman, Anything but a Soldier, The Brigadier and Flat Race Riding.

Elected to the Jockey Club in 1971, he was an invaluable asset to the Pattern Race Committee and the Disciplinary Committee. He was a steward at the Newmarket Craven Meeting and at Sandown and Salisbury, where he had dominated the amateur scene for so long.

Always with the interests of racing at heart, John Hislop was chairman of the New Astley Club for stable and stud staff in Newmarket, and trustee of the Stable Lads' Welfare Trust and Racing Welfare Charities. John and Jean had two sons - Ian, a merchant banker, and Andrew, a writer.

The French translate 'To ride as an amateur' as 'Monter a gentleman'. Hislop was the last of the great gentleman riders - in every sense.

(Photograph omitted)

Another prayer book

Trying to find out more about William Ernest Parker grandson of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland .
We found out that William Ernest Parker was married to Annie Isobel Grieve
We found that her father Robert Grieve and his wife Henrietta Elizabeth Poole also had a family bible like the Vlieland family on a message board .
This is what it said.
The reason I post this is not because any of these persons are in my family tree, but because years ago, My aunt bought a lot set of books in an yard sale. it wasn't until after she got them home that she realized that in this lot was an old family Bible.
It was the original Bible that Robert Grieve & Henrietta recorded their marriage in 1861, the Birth of their children, the marriages of those children, and later the death of some of those recorded, including Robert & Henrietta themselves. the last recorded date is the death of Hilda Charlotte ( married name Griffin) on Sept, 29 1936.

Also inside this bible is what looks to be a hand written note by the rev who married them, stating that he had indeed preformed the ceremony and a registrar of birth , complete with a watermarked seal and signed by a J.P. by the name of Donald MacKinnon?

My aunt has expressed that she never wanted to throw this away, because it would be very meaningful to someone out there, and had always wanted to return it to the family.

now here is the thing, whom ever contacts me first and just so happens to be the closest living relative of the said couple above will be given this bible back as a family heirloom. Its in great shape, for being 149 years old.The leather binding is still intact, back pocket , illustrations , etc. but only with the promise that it wont end up in a yard sale any time soon.

I am posting this all over the Nova Scotia boards, just in case. and while looking for this family i did manage to find only two trees with this couple, they will be notified as well. I truly hope someone can claim this. If you are the relative that is best suited to own this bible you will be contacted so please leave your email address with me in my message box. thanks .
proof of linage will be requested. ( as in access to your tree

Robert Grieve was married at Sydney, Cape Breton to Henrietta Elizabeth Poole, by the Rev W.E. Gelling on the 11th of June, 1861.Their children were:
Mary Elizabeth b. april 28th, 1862
Ellen Hunter B. Nov 8th 1863
Lilias Henrietta Sarah b. dec 25 1864
Andrew Richardson b. June 18th 1866
Annie Isabel b Sept 8th 1867
Henrietta Margaret b April 3, 1869
Lucy Alison b. June 6 1870
Isabel Crwaley? b. june 18, 1872
Robert Poole b. Mar 10 1874
jas (jospeh) harvey b, Sept 5 1875
Florence Amy b, Mar 39, 1877
Hilda charlotte b Nov 15, 1878
Edward Leonard b. Jan 29 , 1880
Robert George , b, Oct 18, 1881
After this entry on the blog Chris Harrington proved he was the nearest living relative and received the bible.

Barbara Vlieland Peel.

Barbara Vlieland Peel was Frances Maude's Vlieland and Reginalds Peel second surviving child,born in Sirwi in November 1911.

She was shipped home to England in 1914 after her mother's death and was brought up by her grandparents Charles james Vlieland and Alice Edith Millen along with Clifford; she was deeply attached to her father's memory and reverted to 'Barbara Peel' 1932 or 1933, when she was 21.

She wanted to follow Charles James as a doctor and trained at (I think) the Westminster Hospital, but failed one exam and so ended up doing other jobs in medicine.
She married Archibald Graham Petter, another actor, in February 1943, and had a son, Graham, who was stillborn, in 1945, and a daughter in December 1946.
They were 25 years apart in age –Archibald Graham Petter born September 1885 in Middlesex, was only a few years younger than Reginald Peel and only a few months younger than Frances Maude, so that when he died in November 1964 it was as if Barbara Vlieland Peel had lost her parents all over again, and she suffered a breakdown and died in August 1976
We have this information from Charles James his great-granddaughter Barbara.

Today in the Telegraph.25 August 2016

Thursday 25 August is:

In Memoriam: Barbara Petter, neé Barbara Vlieland Peel, 25 November 1911–25 August 1976. 

Remembered on the 40th anniversary of her death. Barbara.

The passport of the reverend

Today we received copies of the passport of Jerome Vlieland the Reverend .
Knowing the Vlieland family , their will be letters and postcards or memories from this trip .But lets start with our journey.
The passport was issued in London on the 6th June 1856.
Stamps on the passport start 27th June 1856 with mention of Paris and Belgium in the stamp .
On 15 July 1856 after 18 days into the journey there is a Paris stamp.
What were they doing for so long in Paris and why is there a stamp leaving or reentering Paris.
Could he have been on a ship out of France as there is no stamp of another city on the continent?
We know from the stamp they stayed in the hotel Girard in Paris.
A week later is the next one 23 th July a stamp Rijkspolitie -Rosendaal .
Which means entering Holland by train from Belgium.
On the same page a Rotterdam stamp and in letters next to it in Dutch
gratis
gezien gaande naar Amsterdam en terug naar Brussel.
Which means free seeing going to Amsterdam and back to Brussel.
by inspector first class .
On the 25 th July there is mention of Amsterdam and `s Gravenhage.
In Den Haag they stayed in a very luxury hotel Du vieux Doelen .
The etching is from the same period.

on the last page there is another stamp is for entering France 27 June 1856
and one of 15 july 1858 which suggest a second journey.
Although the copies from copies are not that good it gives a picture.

On this list is the passportnumber of Jerome Nicholas the younger.








The railway was expanding at this time and a company was trying to get the a direct line fromFaversham to Paris .
Maybe this had something to do with our vicar.
“The Times” in June 1847 noted that with the opening of the Boulogne and Amiens Railway to Abbeville, it was now possible to reach Paris from London in 14 hours, the Folkestone – Boulogne crossing taking 1 hour 45 minutes.
The railway finally reached Boulogne in 1848 although in those days the steamers operated from the Quai des Paquebots, on the other side of the harbour from the berths used today, and some distance from the station. Even so, the London to Paris through time was reduced to 12 hours 30 minutes and was further cut by another ninety minutes in time for the Great Exhibition of 1851

William Ernest Parker

William Ernest Parker is the son of John Parker and Maria Heath Vlieland .
He was Bap.12 September 1867 Norwich Norfolk England.

he married Annie Isobel GRIEVE
bd. 8 Sep 1867, St. Johns, Newfoundland
dd. 2 May 1941, Crowborough, Sussex, Age: 73
We find them in the Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royals
Annie Isabel Grieve, b. 8 Sept. 1867 ; m. 4 Oct. 1899, Rev. William Ernest Parker, Missionary, East Africa ; and has issue Id. Id. Bruce Vlieland Parker, b. 28 Sept. 1901.
In the 1891 census .
PARKER Annie Maria Govnss S F 24 Governess(Em'ee) Overseas - British - Malta
PARKER William Ernest Willand Visitr S M 28 Schoolmaster Norfolk - Norwich
They live then Silver Street, Vicarage Barnstaple -Devon

William has kept up the family tradition and also becomes a clergyman (like his uncle Jerome Nicholas )of travel and he travelled as a missionary to Africa.
Transactions of the Geological Society of Glasgow, Volume 9 shows him as "Master Middle Class School Barnstable elected as an ordinary Member of the Geological Society at the Societys Rooms 207 Bath Street 12/12/1889"
and in the book Signal on the mountain: the Gospel in Africa's uplands before the First World War by Elisabeth Knox) shows him:
"3/0/1896 to East Africa Mombasa, 13/8/1900 to Fenland (return to Mombasa 10/2/1902) to England and withdrew 1905" (in other words just after their second child Henrietta was born.
So he and his wife Annie had three children .

In the 1911 census, age 43 he and wife Annie are at 3 Wellington Square Cheltenham Gloucs with 3 children and servant.
The childrens names are Bruce Vlieland Parker,
Henrietta Vlieland Parker bd. 8 Jan 1905, Greenock West
dd. 8 Dec 1957, Age: 52
and Robert Vlieland Parker.20 Mar 1909, Hardingham, Norfolk
dd. 5 Aug 1990, Age: 81 who married Stella Dye and they have two children.
Michael Howard PARKER
Patricia PARKER

The children of William and Annie have been born in Southend on Sea Essex in 1901, Nambord German East Africa in 1905 and Hardingham Norfolk in 1909
the parents of Annie Isobel Grieve are
Robert GRIEVE bd. 11 Jun 1835, Greenock West
dd. 22 Apr 1898, Age: 62
and
Henrietta Elizabeth POOLE
bd. 15 Oct 1842
dd. 25 Oct 1881, Age: 39
There is a story about their family bible in which they recorded their family 
They had 14 children
Mary Elizabeth GRIEVE
Ellen Hunter GRIEVE
Lilias Henrietta Sarah GRIEVE
Andrew Richardson GRIEVE
Annie Isobel GRIEVE
Lucy GRIEVE
Isabel Crawley GRIEVE
Robertha Poole GRIEVE
James Henry GRIEVE
Florence Amy GRIEVE
Hilda Charlotte GRIEVE
Edward Leonard GRIEVE
Robert George GRIEVE
Henrietta Margaret GRIEVE
And to complete the story Robert Grieve bd. 11 Jun 1835, Greenock West is the son of
James Johnston GRIEVE retired merchant and Mary Jane RICHARDSON

The story of the family bible 

Samuel Ethelbert White

Samuel Ethelbert White was born about 1828 in Canterbury. A chorister there at six, he becomes a supervisor for Her Majesty’s Excise. At the time of the 1951 census “White Samuel E” age 23, an Officer Of Inland Revenue - born in Canterbury, Kent is shown as a “Visitor” at a lodging house at Elm Hill, St Peters Hungate, Norfolk. Samuel Ethelbert married Catherine Veri Vlieland in Plea Norwich, Norfolk on the 2nd of August 1855. Samuel Ethelbert White married Catharine Veri Vlieland
born 1831 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Daughter of Jerome Nicholas and Sarah Heath.



She married 02 of august 1855 at ST Michaels at Plea Norwich with Samuel Ethelbert White.
An article in "The Era" on 12th November 1881 shows Samuel Ethelbert White as a Freemason - a visitor from Lodge No 922 of the Lodge of Asaph at the " installation meeting of this celebrated dramatic and musical Lodge held on Monday evening at Freemasons Hall". (this is a typo since he was actually Initiated into Augustine Lodge No 972, Canterbury in 1878 before the family moved to London).
He was born in 1830 and died June 1886 in Fulham at the age of 56.
His father Samuel White was a Gentleman.
Catherine died 1 april 1916 in London Bow.

Unlike his ancestors, Ethelbert seemingly did not stay in one place for long. Perhaps his job as an Inland Revenue Officer of the Excise regularly moved him or perhaps he moved on promotion. Certainly the Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh, Scotland), for Monday, January 26, 1857; Issue 21009 reports under "Home Intelligence - Inland Revenue Department" that “Samuel Ethelbert White, officer of Gye-Ryde has been appointed on promotion to be officer of Southampton forth division - Isle of White collection". Forgetting about any moves not picked up by the census, they had moved from Norwich to Southampton. They then moved from Southampton after the birth of their two year olds Charles Ethelbert and Elisabeth Mary Mills Annie (Bessy) and before the birth of Bertha Susanna in 1860. They are at 22 Sussex Street, Winchester in 1861 and he is an Excise Officer.
they are still at Winchester for the births of Ethelbert Ernest, William Blomfield (named after Catherine's Aunt's husand the Bishop of London) and finally Samuel (Athelstan) in 1870. The census shows them at home with a live in servant.

At the age of 68 Sarah is living in the family of her daughter

This presumed ‘settling’ is not to last. The family have moved to London by the time of the 1871 census. Samuel Ethelbert is not at home on census night. Instead White Samuel E age 43 (Supervisor Of Inland Revenue [Excise Branch]) is shown as a Lodger at 23 Market Place, Warwick. So not simply an Officer by now, but promoted again to Supervisor. He is at home at the time of the 1881 census. By then they have moved, again, from Waterside, Jew's Row, Wandsworth to 9 Alfred St Lucas Terrace, Bow, Stratford-le-Bow. Samuel is a Freemason.
An article in "The Era" on 12th November 1881 shows Samuel Ethelbert White as a Freemason - a visitor from Lodge No 922 of the Lodge of Asaph at the " installation meeting of this celebrated dramatic and musical Lodge held on Monday evening at Freemasons Hall". (this is a typo since he was actually Initiated into Augustine Lodge No 972, Canterbury in 1878 before the family moved to London).
Samuel Ethelbert’s death is registered in Fulham in 1886. He had made a fresh will only the previous year. Although one witness is a clerk William Staunton, the other is a master mariner; Frederick John Davis of Belle Vue Gibbons Street Plymouth – a friend or someone from ‘off the street? The Death Duty Register for that year suggests that the executor of his will was wife Catherine and that Probate was granted (affidavit 8096 folio 2226). The will itself, though, shows Charles Ethelbert as sole executor but that Catherine Fritz White (widow) is the lawful attorney (presumably since Charles is in Bombay).

in Samuel’s will obtained from the probate office, he is left a house in “Ryde Street in the Parish of Saint Dunstans in the City and Borough of Canterbury”. William Blomfield and Samuel Athelstan, his brothers, are also left a house in the same street. Bertha Susannah White (spinster), his second daughter, is left number one Ryde Street. Although the houses are no longer there, pictures of the street in the 1940’s show Ryde Street as a terrace of six houses numbered one to six and from the front at street level they simply looked like a terrace of brick/white painted tiled roof cottages (much like many normal early Victorian ones) BUT from the back and high up it was obvious that five and six were later additions with a separate pitched roof and nos 5-6 were not even rendered at the back. (The properties were still occupied when the council took the pictures). It seems clear that Samuel Ethelbert owned the whole original terrace (1-4).

In addition his eldest son Charles Ethelbert is left his Fathers old residence at 6 Blackfriars (currently tenanted by William Jennings Esquire) together with his main address at 36 Chesilton Road, Munster Place Fulham. His wife also receives his A shares in the Civil Service Supply Association Ltd and the balance in his Inland Revenue Building Society Account and, of course, all the rents and revenues for the rest of her life. After his wife’s death these are also to go to daughter Bertha.

Their son Ethelbert Ernest White was my G grandfather. A master fishmonger, he was born in Winchester, Hampshire (the county town of Hampshire) on 2nd September 1862. According to the records, the boy Ethelbert was sent back to Canterbury by his parents to what is understood to be the oldest school in England (Leach – Hist Med Schools - Methuen 1915), The King's School. According to the school register he left in April 1877.
Catherine survives husband Samuel Ethelbert for nearly thirty years. The houses in Ryde Street do not stay in the family for that long. In 1907 the following advertisement appears in the Canterbury papers – “Four empty freehold cottages, Ryde Street, St. Dunstan's Canterbury, what offers. Contact Lepine, 43 Broad Street, Canterbury” The street, in the St Dunstans area of the city is a historic suburb centred on the route towards London.


Older Daughter Bessy (Elizabeth Mary Mills Annie) was not mentioned in the will. Had she married or died since she was shown in the 1881 census living at 9 Alfred St Lucas Terrace, Bow? There is a plethora of Elizabeth White’s in the appropriate records and I cannot yet tell for certain…
Younger sister Bertha Susanna White marries on the 7th of June 1888. Her husband Edward Brice Presland is a company secretary. The witnesses are her Mother Catherine Veri and Adolphus Charles White a Professor of Music living in Park Road Hampstead. He was born in Canterbury and is then 57. He is a widower, his wife Eliza A White an artist painter born in Chelsea is deceased. He is not the only Mr White, a professor of music in the lives of the White siblings. Bertha, however, is not to inherit for almost thirty years. At the time of the 1901 census Edward Bertha and their daughter Helen Bertha age 21 are living in Putney (an area they have been in since the birth of their daughter). Helen Bertha marries Leslie Miller in 1914.
Catherine is also in Putney in 1901– a widow of 67 “living on her own means” and is still in London at the time of the 1911 census. Her death is recorded in Kensington in 1916; aged 82. She has lived alone for some time. At the time of the 1891 census, however, she is a widow of 57, living at 26 Waldemar Ave Fulham ‘on her own means’ and two of her children are home that night.
William Blomfield is shown as a captain in the merchant service and Samuel Athelstan is a commercial clerk. Later, the South Africa magazine of December 12, 1896. under "Domestic Announcements" reports a marriage, on December 1, at St. Peter’s Church, Brockley, Deptford, London by the Rev. C. H. Grundy of William Blomfield White, Chief Officer S. S. Inyoni, to Jessie, second daughter of the late James Tench White, of Canterbury. One of the witnesses is her Mother Sara. Jessie had been born in 1874 to another professor of Music born in Canterbury; living at 42, St Georges Street. His name is James Tench (or Tench James) White.
Charles Ethelbert has joined the Navy. He is in Bombay in 1886 at the time probate is granted on his father’s estate and the London Gazette shows the Admiralty Notice of the l5th January, 1890 showing that he is appointed sub lieutenant from 31 Dec 1889.
Perhaps it is fitting, that Samuel Ethelbert White became a supervisor for Her Majesty’s Excise. since his father Samuel White was a collector of ‘poor rate’ taxes for the Crown at the time of the 1851 census although Stapleton & Co’s Topographical History and Directory of Canterbury…August 1838 directory records him, not only as “S White – collector of poor rates” but as the Parish Clerk of St Mildreds (near the Cathedral) and All Saints (Eastbridge) and also as the Deputy Registrar of births and deaths and living at 6 Blackfriars. It also shows a Mrs Samuel White under “Milliners and Dressmakers” at St Georges. It is possible that this was his wife…
Samuel White (Senior) had been born in Canterbury in 1802, married Elizabeth Mary Hatton, also a ‘Canterbury lass’, in 1822 and lived in the St Alphege area of Canterbury (in the shadow of the Cathedral) all his life.
Not only did Samuel name his first and second sons Ethelbert (first Christian King of Kent), but his first born Bertha, the name of Ethelbert’s wife. (But then his last born he called Athelstan. Athelstan (or Æthelstan) called the Glorious, was the King of England from 924/925 to 939 – effectively the first King of England!)
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Looking for more information of Catherine or her spouse Samuel Ethelbert White we
found Ethelbert White and we wondered if the name is the only link or that it could be a grandson of Catherine.





Ethelbert Whites biography
Ethelbert White was born in Isleworth, Middlesex. In 1911 studied St.John's Wood Art School under Leonard Walker, a watercolourist who also acheived much acclaim for his beautiful decorative stained glass windows. In 1911 also married Elizabeth Crofton Dodwell, always known as Betty, the couple shared a liking for a simple and unconventional way of life, full of fun, friendship, music and travel. Lived in a little 18th century cottage in Hampstead Grove, Camden. Travelled around countryside in their gypsy caravan 'Reading', Ethelbert producing paintings of village life and Betty playing the lute. The couple became very popular and attracted social gatherings. Befriended Mark Gertler and C.R.W.Nevinson. White exhibited at London Group and New English Arts Club from 1916. First one man show at Paterson and Carfax Gallery in 1921. Was a regular exhibitor at the RA and RWS. Memorial exhibition at the Fine Art Society in 1979. His work is represented in many public collections.

John Parker

John Parker 1834, Burgh St. Peters, Norfolk
dd. 24 Apr 1886, Age: 52
married on the 21 September 1865 in Stalisfield
Maria Heath Vlieland

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Her brother J.N.Vlieland was the officiating Minister at the wedding.
They were the godfather and godmother of Florence Adele Vlieland as you can read in the prayerbook

The children of John and Mary are:
John Herbert Parker
Bapt.19 August 1866 Norwich St.Ethildred Norfolk England
William Ernest Parker
Bap.12 September 1867 Norwich Norfolk England
Charles Edward Parker
Bap.Sep 1869
Arthur Heath Parker
Bapt 1871
Edith Mary Parker
Bapt 21 March 1873 Norwich,Norfolk England.
Frank Vlieland Parker
Bapt.23 March 1875 Norwich, Norfolk,England.
Percy Jerome Parker
Bapt.June 1876 Thorpe
census 1881 Church lane 4 years old.
George Frederick Parker
Bapt 1878
Grace Ellen Parker
Bapt 1880
Catherine Maria Parker
Bapt.02 December 1883 Thorpe-next-Norwich,Norfolk England
Deaths Sep 1884 Parker Catherine Maria age 0 Norwich 4b 88

There is also another Vlieland Parker .He is the son of William Ernest and therefore the grandson.
Bruce Vlieland Parker.
Robert Vlieland Parker born April 1909 Mitford Norfolk
Became reverend and married Stella Dye and they had a son Michael Howard PARKER
27 Sep 1943, Kingsteignton, Devon,and a daughter Patricia Rosemary Parker .

Mail

To avoid being captured the fishermen went in to mailservice.
The mail was important and should be intact on arrival.
So the ship and crew were regarded as neutral and were not captured.
Jeroen Vlieland had a mailservice Rotterdam -Topsham and advertised both in England and in Holland with his mailservice.
We know his brother Hendrik was captured with his ship the Young Elisabeth and those prizepapers are in Kew.
The letters on ships were important and always saved.It was a way of gathering information.But there was also regular mail.
In the National Archives in London are still thousands of those letters lying unread holding their information.
Think of the men at sea who were sailing to far away places and missed their wife and children for years .
Think of the wifes who had to deal with everything on their own.The money,the raising of their children,sickness ,death in the family.
Imagine not knowing what goes on in your family for a year.
The letters they wrote went back and forth with other ships.
Unless they were captured and never reached the crew or his family.
The letters where discovered some years ago in Kew and are now photographed in the National Archives and then in Holland translated and digitalised.
It sometimes breaks your hart reading them.
The sorrow,dispair and courage.
There are 3 books wich contain some letters.
But there our thousands waiting to be discovered.
The National Archives and the Sailing Letters project are working together in an effort to uncover the letters.
Maybe we learn more about Jeromes father or his uncles someday .

Series reference HCA 30
High Court of Admiralty, and Supreme Court of Judicature, High Court of Justice, Probate, Divorce and Admiralty Division ...

HCA Records of the High Court of Admiralty and colonial Vice-Admiralty courts
Division within HCA Records of the Admiralty Registrar and Admiralty Marshal
Record Summary
Title High Court of Admiralty, and Supreme Court of Judicature, High Court of Justice, Probate, Divorce and Admiralty Division: Admiralty Miscellanea
Scope and content This series consists of miscellaneous Admiralty papers.
In addition to papers relating to the jurisdiction of the courts, the series includes the following:
accounts in respect of ships detained under embargoes, 1806 to 1840
affidavits, 1662 to 1807
an apprentices' (fishermen) register, 1639 to 1644
letters of attorney (prize), 1700 to 1858
bail bonds (prize agents), 1803 to 1827
marked cause books, 1860 to 1868
correspondence register concerning appeals business before the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, 1861 to 1902
records concerning droits, 1608 to 1833
proceedings in foreign courts or languages, c1550 to 1778
draft instruments etc, 1773 to 1855
intercepted mails and papers, 1652 to 1811
judges' order books, 1860 to 1880
list of records in Admiralty registry in 1878, keyed with current HCA references
naval prize account registers, 1855 to 1916
prize minute books, 1779 to 1827
notes by Sir John Nicholl and Dr James Henry Arnold on Admiralty etc cases, 1781 to 1838
precedents and papers relating to the office of Admiralty Marshal, 1772 to 1882
printed and unprinted case papers, 1856 to 1948
prize claims 1643 to 1703
prize commissions, c1660 to 1820
prize etc registers, 1854 to 1916
proctors' appointments and admissions 1727 to 1841, and certificates sent to them from Navy Pay Office to enable next of kin of seamen dying intestate to obtain letters of administration, 1795 to 1807
prohibitions from King's Bench and other courts against Admiralty jurisdiction, 1531 to 1645
registers and copies of instruments and documents exhibited, 1625 to 1776
registrar's draft reports and other records including precedents and office appointments, 1649 to 1926
ships' books and papers, 1624 to 1818
ships' logs, 1862 to 1888
slave trade papers and proceedings, 1805 to 1877
Vice-Admiralty courts' papers, 1740 to 1860
including some arising from the enquiries of the commissioners on fees, 1832
summaries of proceedings of the wreck commissioner, 1876 to 1880
warrants for appointments, 1604 to 1853
Pieces containing papers etc. from Dutch prizes 1652-1832 are catalogued in greater detail than those of other nationalities. This is because of research undertaken by the Royal Dutch Library in 2005, the results of which were kindly made available to The National Archives.
Covering dates 1530-1948
Related material See also the records of the High Court of Delegates in
DEL
additional finding aid ZBOX 1/92/1
additional finding aid ZBOX 1/91
See also Records of the Slave Trade Adviser in Division within HCA

Separated material Miscellaneous objects, artefacts and documents have been transferred from this and other series to HCA 65

Held by The National Archives, Kew

Charles Dickens

At Christmas it would be lovely to find a connection between Dickens and the Vlielands would not it.
Dickens came often to Exeter. But years before Charles James was living there.
Dickens leased Mile End Cottage in Alphington for his parents and their youngest son. He wrote "I took a little house for them this morning"...."and if they are not pleased with it I shall be grievously disappointed. Exactly a mile beyond the city on the Plymouth road there are two white cottages: one is theirs and the other belongs to their landlady." - written on 5 March, 1839, from the New London Inn in Exeter. They lived there for three and a half years. He also stayed at the New London Inn on 29th October 1842 before visiting his father in Alphington and then travelling on to Lans End.

Dickens also refreshed himself at the Turk's Head Inn in the High Street. It was while sitting in the corner that he observed the customers that frequented the tavern and that became characters in his novels. The Fat Boy in Pickwick Papers was straight out of the Turks Head. He was also inspired by his observations to create the characters of Mrs Lupin of the Blue Dragon in Martin Chuzzlewit, and Pecksniff.

Dickens also visited Exeter to give a reading of a Christmas Carol, in August 1858 at the Royal Public Rooms. The Flying Post reported on the event with "... Mr. Dickens possesses great dramatic ability, wonderful powers of facial expression, and a rich sonorous voice, of which he is a perfect master–changing it from the rough tones of Scrooge to the sweet and delicate key of Tiny Tim with an easy and remarkable facility."

But then for the descendants of Jerome that have been abroad for the holidays .
We consult Jeromes own books.
Christmas, noel ; christmas eve, la veille de noel ; christmas gifts, des étrennes.

new-year's day, le jour de l'an ; the first day of the year, le premier jour de l'an: and in generai, when expressing the era ; as, The year of our Lord, L'an de notre Seigneur. N. B. New-year's day is very often expressed by le jour des étrennes ; as it is on that day presents are inade, as in England on Christmas day : étrenne, new-year's gift.

Cricket and Charles James Vlieland

The name of Charles James Vlieland is connected with cricket as we will show you with some more clippings.