Tuesday, 27 August 2013

White family

All family´s connected to a Vlieland can be found in this blog.
Thanks to Ray we got information on all those families exept his .
Today we start the White family .
Catherine Veri Vlieland married Samuel Ethelbert White. 
In the census we see that Catherine´s mother Sarah Heath  is 68 and living in her daughters family
.

Later she is living with another daughter Anna Maria and  the Candler family where she dies on the 17th of Nov 1882 at the age of 84  .

Samuel Ethelbert married Catherine Veri Vlieland, (the daughter of Jerome Nicholas Vlieland the language professor) at St Michael at Plea Norwich in Norfolk.  The officiating vicar was Reverend Jerome Nicholas Vlieland Junior (Catherine’s brother).  Samuel and Catherine are soon witnesses at Catherine’s sister’s wedding to Reverend Blomfield.  In January 1857 Samuel is promoted from the Ryde Section to ‘Excise Officer Southampton Section’ within the Isle of Wight ‘Collection’.  

First born Catherine Augusta died in spring 1858 only months after her summer 1857 birth and 4th November baptism.  Their ‘home town’ Southampton, being a port, was not necessarily a healthy place to bring up a family.  Exposure to ‘foreign diseases’ (brought in by passengers or crew) was a distinct possibility.  In 1783 Jane Austen and her sister had been sent away to be educated and were on holiday there.  Typhoid had broken out and Jane had become seriously ill.  Years later she had to rush down to Southampton to nurse the family when her cousin and other family members caught cholera. 

The next two children, born on 17th October 1858, survived.  Twins Charles Ethelbert and Elisabeth Mary Mills Annie (Bessy) were baptised together at All Saints Southampton on 5th January 1859.  The church, like much of Southampton, was destroyed in 1940. Indeed, bombing raids by the Luftwaffe on two successive nights in 1940 severely damaged much of the ancient centre of the city; including nearly all the churches. 

The family had moved before the birth of Bertha Susanna in 1860 and are now at 22 Sussex Street, Winchester.  Samuel Ethelbert is an Excise Officer.  Sussex Street is right in the centre, close to the railway station, which had been built as Winchester City station in 1839/40 by the London and Southampton Railway Company, then serving the only major settlement between London and Southampton.  In 2006, Channel 4’s Homes programme voted Winchester the best place in the country to live.

The will and the probate register for Samuel Ethelbert White’s death in 1886 both show Charles Ethelbert as sole executor but note that Catherine Fritz White (widow) now living at 32 St Maur Road Fulham is declared the lawful attorney when probate is granted on 19thAugust (since Charles is shown as ‘residing in Bombay’).  (Another Vlieland cousin, Lawrence Ethelbert Candler is also there).

In the Will he leaves 4 children, each, a house in “Ryde Street in the Parish of Saint Dunstans in the City and Borough of Canterbury”. At the time the properties were built this terrace of 4 brick/white painted, tiled roof cottages comprised all of Ryde Street - though numbers 5 and 6 were added later and we know from the surveyors orders for water to be laid on, in May 1876, that these four were almost the last properties in Canterbury to gain access to water..  

In addition his eldest son Charles Ethelbert is left his Fathers old residence at 6 Blackfriars (currently tenanted by William Jennings Esquire) together with his main address at 36 Chesilton Road, Munster Place Fulham.  

Thanks Ray !

Monday, 26 August 2013

George Nelson Grant


George Nelson Grant was the father of 
Name: Violet May Grant
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Oct 1897
Christening Place: Colaba, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1897
Father's Name: George Nelson Grant
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
On several message boards there are posts on George Nelson Grant.
we have collected them here maybe it will give us a new clue.George Nelson Grant born December 1870 Derby married Mary Jane McCarthy or McGuinness in 1892 in Kilkenny, Ireland.

Their eldest son was George Nelson Copeland Grant (b. 1893 in Gibralter); then they had Arthur Edward Grant (b. 1895, Ahmedhajar), Violet and Flossy May (twins, b. 1897, Bombay) and Henry Horace and Albert Victor (twins, b. 1903, Ajmeer).
George Nelson Copeland Grant (b. 1893 in Gibralter);seems to have retired from the Army in 1921 and became an accountant in Bombay; 

George Nelson Grant back in 26th May 1892 in Kilkenny. George was in the military and station in Gibraltar and India, they had five children . I have no idea what happened to Mary if she died or left my GG but on his military records in 1919 he is classed as a widower.


Seeking any information about MARY HANNAH GRANT, nee COPELAND Mary Hannah was my gt grandmother, born 1850 in Derby. She married George Nelson Grant, in 1881 they were in Scotland, shown on the census living at that time in Perth. Their son George Nelson was at that time in Kibble Industrial School, he had been sentenced for 6 years because of stealing. Possibly their reason for being in Perth



Seeking any information about MARY JANE McCARTHY or McGUINNESS In 1892 she married George Nelson Colven Grant, in Kilkenny, the Presbyterian Church By August 1893 they were in Gibralter where their first son was born , they went on to have four more children, including two sets of twins they later went to Bombay India, where George Nelson who was a soldier had been posted. I do not know ho


I am seeking any descendants of GEORGE NELSON GRANT born 1871 Derby. He married MARY JANE McCARTHY or McGUINNESS, in 1893 in Kilkenny Ireland.
Their first son also George Nelson, was born in Gibralter, and from there they moved to India. Mary Jane died before 1920 in India.
she was Born in Malta on 1875 to Daniel McCarthy. Mary Jane McCarthy married George Nelson Grant and had 4 children. She passed away on 1919 in India.
Mary Jane was born in Malta, and I would love to know more about her, what was her mother`s name, and why was she given two surnames on her marriage cert?
I have a photo of the couple with their four children, date unknown. Could George Nelson have remarried after the death of Mary Jane?
if anyone knows of her I would love to exchange information?
If anyone knows of this family, would they please please contact me with any information about their descendants.
Arthur Edward Grant1895 - Unknown
Violet Mona Flossy May Grant1897 - 1992
George Nelson Copeland Grant1893 - 1970
Horace Henry Albert Victor Grant
George Nelson Grant was the brother of my grandmother Mabel Grant (she married Stephen Gagan in Canada 1894 they left Canada and went to Scotland in 1901)



My gt uncle George Nelson Grant married Mary Jane McCarthy or McGuinness in Kilkenny 1892 I am curious as to why Mary Jane has two different surnames.


Having just recently discovered many details of my gt uncle GEORGE NELSON GRANT b.1870 Derby , thought I would obtain his marriage cert because of a puzzling remark on his army record concerning his wife`s surname
On receipt of the cert, I found that her name was Mary Jane McGuinness, father Patrick McGuinness, then there was a note re a correction made in the margin, which read
she should have been named, Mary Jane McCarthy,father`s name Daniel McCarthy!
She and George were married in 1892 in Kilkenny Ireland. They then moved to Gibralter and from there to Bombay India.
I would love to make contact with anyone who may be researching Mary Jane McCarthy or McGuinness. I hardly think she would have been a widow, she was aged only 17 years when the marriage took place, could she have been illegitimate?


So the information varies but maybe it will lead to something 

We looked for the family in the fibis database but could not find anything






  • The Grant Family in india : "George Nelson with pipe in hand, lady stood unknown, lady sat is Violet and the young boy is Horace, the two young men could be George jnr and Arthur."
  • again with "George Nelson snr with wife Mary Jane holding the young Horace my grandfather, George Copeland and Arthur Edward stood either side of George snr and Violet stood all in white."
  • Violet with second hubby and "her daughter in-law Maria and daughter Pamela, Maria's husband was Michael Peel son of Reginald and Violet."
After Reginald Peels death Violet married Horace Grant in Hove in 1945 and died in 1992



Sunday, 25 August 2013

Reginald Keith Peel

Son of Reginald Peel and Violet Grant 
They had 5 children .One of them is born 10 August 1917, Reginald Keith PEEL, who was missing presumed dead after the sinking of HMS Hood in 1941.


Memorials to Men Lost in the Sinking of Hood, 24th May 1941
In Remembrance of
REGINALD KEITH PEEL
Service: Royal Navy
Rank: Assistant Steward
Service Number: P/LX 25027
Date Joined Hood: 28 February 1941



Biographical Information: "Keith" as he was known to his family and friends, was the born on 10 August 1917 in Rajputana, India to Reginald and Florence Peel. In civilian life, Keith was a wine waiter at Old Ship Hotel in Brighton.



He, his wife Irene (known as Rene) had one child, a baby daughter named Barbara.
Keith enlisted in the Navy at H.M.S. Royal Arthur in October 1940 and was posted to Glendower later that month. He was transferred to Victory in December. His first and only ship was Hood. He was 23 years old at the time of his loss.





We thank his daughter, Barbara Smith (photos & information, June 2010)
© H.M.S. Hood Association for letting us use the information and photographs.
Memorial Information
Portsmouth Naval Memorial, Panel 58, Column 1
Also memorialised at
Hood Chapel, Church of St John the Baptist, Boldre, Hampshire



Additional Photographs
Sources
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
Family friend, Brenda Street (information, March 2003)
'Register of Deaths of Naval Ratings' (data extracted by Director of Naval Personnel (Disclosure Cell), Navy Command HQ
His daughter, Barbara Smith (photos & information, June 2010)
© H.M.S. Hood Association.


Aug 2015
the ship's bell of HMS Hood has been salvaged from the sea in the Denmark Strait. The late Ted Briggs, one of the only three to survive the sinking (out of a crew of 1,418) wished that it could be displayed as a memorial and Paul Allen, the co-founder of Microsoft, funded the recovery.

Saturday, 24 August 2013

Violet Mona Flossy Mary Grant


Name: Violet May Grant

Second wife of Reginald Peel.

Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Oct 1897
Christening Place: Colaba, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1897
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Nelson Grant
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C99916-5
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 523879
Reference ID:

Name: Reginald Peel
Birth Date: 1873
Birthplace:
Age: 43
Spouse's Name: Violet Mona Flossy Mary Grant
Spouse's Birth Date: 1895
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 09 Sep 1916
Event Place: Naini Tal, Bengal, India
Father's Name: Nathaniel Peel
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: George Nelson Grant
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Widowed
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75047-4
System Origin: India-EASy
GS Film number: 527541
Reference ID:

The information about their 5 children is hard to find .
One of their children is Reginald Keith Peel who sank with the Hood.
In his memorial Florence is mentioned as mother .
Biographical Information: "Keith" as he was known to his family and friends, was the born on 10 August 1917 in Rajputana, India to Reginald and Florence Peel. In civilian life, Keith was a wine waiter at Old Ship Hotel in Brighton.

He, his wife Irene (known as Rene) had one child, a baby daughter named Barbara.
Keith enlisted in the Navy at H.M.S. Royal Arthur in October 1940 and was posted to Glendower later that month. He was transferred to Victory in December. 

His first and only ship was Hood. He was 23 years old at the time of his loss.
Other children Laurence Peel and Michael Peel.







  • The Grant Family in india : "George Nelson with pipe in hand, lady stood unknown, lady sat is Violet and the young boy is Horace, the two young men could be George jnr and Arthur."
  • again with "George Nelson snr with wife Mary Jane holding the young Horace my grandfather, George Copeland and Arthur Edward stood either side of George snr and Violet stood all in white."
  • Violet with second hubby and "her daughter in-law Maria and daughter Pamela, Maria's husband was Michael Peel son of Reginald and Violet."
After Reginald Peels death Violet married Horace Grant in Hove in 1945 and died in 1992



Thursday, 22 August 2013

Syndale

In the census we find Charles James Vlieland  living in Syndale.
A worldfamous name .
In the paper of New Zealand of 1909 we find his father- in- law  William Millen and his famous sheep from Syndale valley.


If you want to see the sheep and the Syndale Valley you can still do so .



family of Charles James Vlieland


In this census we find Charles James Vlieland in Exeter in `Syndale .
He is 42 years of age and doctor of medicine.
He is living on his own account .
As head of the household he is responsible for his wife Alice E 40 years of age .
Daughter Frances M 16 years ,Dorothy 15 years, Phoebe M 13 years ,son Charles A 10 years and the servants Ellen Gillard 27 years and parlour maid and Bessy G Gregory 14 years and housemaid 


Monday, 19 August 2013

Maria Schoenmaker

Witness at the baptism of Seijke Hollander is Maria Schoenmaker .
What do know about her ?
Her baptism .
DopelingMaria Schoenmaker
VaderJan Schoenmaker
MoederWijntie Zuidmeer
GetuigeJan Schoenmaker
Cornelia van Opstal
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop03-02-1756
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop Luthers
winess
DopelingNicolaus van den Heuvel
VaderFrans van den Heuvel
MoederAnna Mulders
GetuigeJan van der Linden
Maria Schoenmaker
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop16-01-1774

BronDTB Rotterdam Doop rooms-katholiek Leeuwenstraat

her marriage
BruidegomJacobus van der Spek , jongeman , van Leiden , wonend:Wijnhaven
BruidMaria Schoenmaker , jongedochter , van Delft , wonend: Zuid Blaak
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum trouwen03-11-1778 
Datum ondertrouw18-10-1778
BronDTB Rotterdam Trouw gereformeerd
baptism of her child
DopelingMaddalena van der Spek
VaderJacobus van der Spek
MoederMaria Schoemaker
GetuigeCabilla Schoemaker
Johanna van der Spek
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop28-02-1779
Wonendein de Boompjes
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd

DopelingMagdalena van der Speck
VaderJacob van der Speck
MoederMaria Schoemaker
GetuigeTheodorus Schoemaker
Barbara Schoemaker
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop02-06-1782
WonendePottebakkersteeg in d' Boomties
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
death of her husband 
OverledeneJacobus van der Spek
Man vanJohanna Maria Schoemaker
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum begraven19-02-1802
Opmerkingenoverledene was bestelder van 't Haerlemse Veer en liet na 1 minderjarig kind; Boompjes by Pottebakkersteeg
BronDTB Rotterdam Begraven
witness
DopelingMaria Schoenmaker
VaderArij Schoenmaker
MoederNeeltje de Ruijter
GetuigeMaria Schoenmaker
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop01-02-1784
Wonendein den Rijstuin
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
witness
DopelingSeijke Hollander
VaderJan Hollander
MoederCatrina de Vries
GetuigeMaria Schoenmaker
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop31-10-1790
Geboortedatum25-10-1790 
WonendeLewehaven
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
death 
OverledeneMaria Schoenmaker
PlaatsOverschie
Datum begraven10-10-1808
Opmerkingenvan onder Out - Mathenesse; in de kerk; 't midd: kleed; 1 uur geluid
BronDTB Overschie Begraven kerk
her husband was born in Leiden 
PlaatsLeiden
Datum05-09-1751
BronDopen NH Marekerk
KindJacobus van der Spek
VaderJacobus van der Spek
MoederMagdalena Laket
GetuigeLeendert Romans
GetuigeElizabeth Laket
Archiefnr1004
Inventarisnummer263
Inventaris beginjaar1738
Inventaris eindjaar1766
but no clue why she was witness at the baptism of Seijke Hollander.

Sunday, 18 August 2013

Margaretha Catrina Westbergen

Margarita Catrina Wesberg was witness at the baptism of Jeromes sister Maria in 1793 in Rotterdam .
Maria HOLLANDER (Mary VLIELAND), french knitting, geboren op 31-12-1792 te Rotterdam,ZH,NL, gedoopt (Gereformeerd) op 03-01-1793 te Rotterdam,ZH,NL (getuige(n): Margrita Catrina Wesberg)

She was baptised .
DopelingMargaretha Catharina Westbergen
VaderRoelof Westbergen
MoederDorothee Reuvers
GetuigeJohannes Coller
Catharina Rosmeijer
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop01-10-1754
Opmerkingende doopdatum is fictief; de gegeven datum is October 1754
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop Luthers
She was witness at these baptisms.
DopelingMargrita Katrijna van Seijn
VaderCarolus van Seijn
MoederJohanna Karthuijsen
GetuigeMargrita Katrijna Wesberg
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop18-04-1790
Wonendeop de Schiedamsen Dijk
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
DopelingMaria Hollander
VaderJan Hollander
MoederCatrina Fust
GetuigeMargrita Catrina Wesberg
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop03-01-1793
Geboortedatum31-12-1792 
WonendePottebakkerssteeg
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd

DopelingNicolaas de Adelaar
VaderGerret de Adelaar
MoederAnna Catrina Eijkmeijijer
GetuigeMarghrita Catriena Wesberg
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop16-03-1794
Geboortedatum14-03-1794 
WonendeOoszijde in de Oppert
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
DopelingAntonie Eijkmeijer
VaderAntonie Eijkmeijer
MoederCristina Visser
GetuigeMargrieta Catrina Wesberg
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop14-08-1796
Geboortedatum06-08-1796 
Wonendein de Sandstraat
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
DopelingDoreta Eijkmeijer
VaderMatthij Eijkmeijer
MoederMaria Vorster
GetuigeMargarita Cathrina Wesberg
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop04-06-1797
Geboortedatum25-05-1797 
WonendeBaanstraat
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop gereformeerd
Her father died and her mother remarried 
So that is the reason she was at the baptisms of the Eijkmeijers.They were her halfbrother and sister.
BruidegomJan Hendrik Eijkmeijer , jongeman , van Rotterdam
BruidDorothea Reuvers wed. Roelof Andriesze Westbergen , van Rotterdam
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum trouwen12-10-1755 
BronDTB Rotterdam Trouw Luthers
DopelingAnna Catharina Jan Eijkmeijer
VaderJan Hendrik Eijkmeijer
MoederDorothe Reuvers
GetuigeJohan Wolfgang Koller
Anna Catharina Rosmeijer
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop29-04-1759
Wonendeonder Hillegondsberg
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop Luthers
DopelingAnthonij Jan Eijkmeijer
VaderJan Hendrik Eijkmeijer
MoederDorothea Reuvers
GetuigeJohannes Jurgen Keller
Maria de Heer
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop13-08-1769
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop Luthers
DopelingJohannes Mattheus Jan Eijkmeijer
VaderJan Hendrik Eijkmeijer
MoederDorothea Reuvers
GetuigeJohannes Mattheus Keijs
Maria Elizabeth Eenharten
PlaatsRotterdam
Datum doop05-01-1774
BronDTB Rotterdam Doop Luthers
her marriage 
GroomNicolaas de Letter Schiedamsedijk
BrideGrietje Westberg Schiedamsedijk
PlaceRotterdam
Date of license03-10-1773
Date marriage26-10-1773 
ChildMargrita Kraaijvelt
FatherAndries Kraaijvelt
MotherWillemijna Wassenburgh
WitnessNicolaas de Letter
WitnessMargrita Wesberg
PlaceRotterdam
Date of baptism23-05-1782
DeceasedNicolaas de Letter 75 jaar, 5 mnd en 13 dgn
FatherPieter de Letter
MotherElizabeth Ooms
PartnerMargaretha Catharina Wesberg
PlaceRotterdam
Date of death26-10-1824 
Remarksakte nr. 1583
DeceasedMargaretha Wesberg 73 jaar 9 mnd en 26 dgn
PartnerNicolaas de Letter
 
PlaceRotterdam
Date of death17-08-1828 
 
 
Remarksakte nr. 1385
 
 
But the reason for attending the baptism of Maria is still not clear .